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Topics of the day:
1. Access to Internet without Modems & Cords & Dial-Up
2. LET'S SAVE LISZTER!!! [Re: Our membership's unconscionable APATHY...]
3. FTPMail, Agora, etc. statistics
4. Forward a Copy of Digests.
5. Search Engine Colossus
6. Search i by mail
7. www4mail forms using IE5/Outlook Express
8. GopherMail: Format Unknow?
9. about interbot
10. searching for mailing lists. (2)
11. Zoltrix 33.600 upgrade to 56K (2)
12. User mail: My Deja
13. Excellent Idea...!!MAKE YOUR VOICE HEARD ABOUT LISZTER!!!
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Date: Mon, 20 Sep 1999 10:42:06 +1200
From: Chris Bannister <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Access to Internet without Modems & Cords & Dial-Up
Gidday all,
On Fri, 17 Sep 1999 Azeem wrote:
-- snip
>Professor Ashok Jhunjhunwala of Indian Institute of Technology, Madras,
>has developed a wireless system to access the Internet. The system is
>cheaper and faster and bypasses the regular telephone networks.
>Networks, that will become exasperatingly clogged with the increase in the
>number of Internet connections.
The number of Internet connections is a problem, but there is work to resolve
this (I think the IP number is to be increased). I think the main problem is
bandwidth -- i.e. the carrying capacity of the medium. Does wireless
communication allow more capacity/reliability?
It is the way of the future but I wonder what the capacity is compared to
traditional methods -- copper cable/fibre etc.
See ya later.
Chris.
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Date: Sun, 19 Sep 1999 18:29:44 -0700
From: "H. BARCENA" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: LET'S SAVE LISZTER!!! [Re: Our membership's unconscionable APATHY...]
Hi ACCMAILERS -)
Hi "Fabian Brian. Rose"
Thank you for you interest on this subject :-)
You posit several assumptions:
1.- The need to '...fix up a time or day when we should email the admins of
the servers going down..."
My reply: ANY time, ANY day is ok.
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2.- U assume the possibility of a "choice" in the matter when u state: :
"Whether we should email em or whether we should hold on."
My reply: There is nothing left to "..hold on to.." (afaik in re Liszter)
, so imho, there is *no choice* in the matter: if u value this edangered
'net resource, then by all means, u (and all ACCMAILERS) must act NOW!
Send a polite message stating the need for Liszter's continued service..
Without a doubt, "Liszt, the mailing list directory" service is/was an
excellent and indispensable resource for locating and joining Internet
mailing lists. IT SHOULD BE SAVED....
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3.- U assume NO ONE has explained what must be done: when U state:"...tell
us what must be done!!!
My reply: Several members have said it before: Just send a polite email
thanking LISZTERfor past services and for providing such a vital Internet
service.. AND PLEASE don't forget to ask them why Liszter is no longer
replying to any "Liszt-by-Mail Query" search/query commands
imho this is best course of action. That is what I have done already and I
HAVE received their (Topica/LISZTER) 's prompt & courteous reply.
these are the e-dresses:
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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4.- U assume 2500 pieces of email will be a bit too much for them to handle
and could crash their server.
My reply: Hope springs eternal, but.....I doubt if even 10% (at best) of
that total will be sent. But I also seriously doubt that if even such a low
percentage were sent, that LISZTER would ignore 250 plus emails........ on
the other hand...if only 10 or 20 ACCMAIL members send emails, them they,
(Liszter) might just think it isn't worth their while and ignore the whole
thing...and kill it "permanently"...
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5.-U assume ACCMAILERS only love accessing the net by email "until they get
full acess"
My Reply: Hmmmm, Even tho' I have had UNINTERRUPTED FULL WEB ACCESS for
more than 5 years (whew!!) I still **much** prefer using ACCMAIL methods
for myriad reasons far too numerous to be counted ...but principal among
these, I guess i would place as REASON #1: :".I have found ACCMAIL methods
are a faster, safer, reliable and more methodical and organized way to
fulfill almost all my net needs.."...(ironic isn't it)
I can truthfully say that, hands down, I prefer *NOT* to use the
traditional WWW (World Wide Wait) if I can use email to do it instead......
VIVA ACCMAIL !! LET'S goofb And SAVE LISZTER!!!
ttfn
H.Barcena :-DD
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On Thu, 16 Sep 1999 11:14:09 +0530, "Fabian Brian. Rose"
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, wrote in ACCMAIL:
>>Subject: Re: Our membership's unconscionable APATHY...
>>MIME-Version: 1.0
>>Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
>>Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit
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>>Hi Mr. Barcena,
>>
>>Thanks for the eye opener. You see I agree with you when you say that it
>>is Apathy.
>>But I would like to add to what you have written.
>>
[snip]
>>
>>Now to come to the point, could one of you guys fix up a time or day
>>when we should email the admins of the servers going down...in this case
>>lizter :) There are conflicting views and only a few people are into the
>>discussion and hence those that do not, have no idea what to do????
>>Whether we should email em or whether we should hold on...this
>>hesitation leads to a general feeling of "APATHY" as you call it :)
>>
>>Hence please guys, Gerry, and all of you, tell us what must be done!!!
>>There are just a few of you discussing this on the list but around 2000+
>>more off the list reading all this stuff and deciding the best course of
>>action.
>>
>>Next, I feel that we must email them and FIRST of all THANK these guys
>>for providing the service to us :) That template prepared by you Gerald
>>is good! we can all use it to email them.
>>
>>I just hope that "2500 peices of email" won't be a bit too much for em
>>to handle and crash their server 8-{
>>
>>And hey Mr.Barcena, don't worry about arguements on this list, I believe
>>it's filled with many many mature people who love accessing the net by
>>email (until they get full acess *hahahahaha*)
>>
>>Warm regards from India!!!
>>
>>--
>>Fabian
>>
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Date: Mon, 20 Sep 1999 06:01:05 +0100
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: FTPMail, Agora, etc. statistics
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Date: Mon, 20 Sep 1999 16:47:07 +0500
From: S RAMAMURTHY <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Forward a Copy of Digests.
Dear Listers,
My mail network was down during the weekend and was up and running only
now. Can anyone of you be kind enough to forward a copy of Digests of
18th, 19th and 20th to me please. Thanks in advance.
Azeem.
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Date: Mon, 20 Sep 1999 14:06:54 +0200
From: Frits Westra <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Search Engine Colossus
This info was in the Scout Report. A big site providing a lot of links
to country specific search engines. Many need search strings, others
are browsable.
Frits Westra -- [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Search Engine Colossus
http://www.searchenginecolossus.com/
Created by Bryan Strome, this metasite offers links to a large number
of country- or region-specific search engines. The search engines are
organized by country, with a link to the service, the language(s) it
uses, its point of origin, and a short description when available.
The number of search engines available under each heading can vary
considerably, as would be expected. Search engines in eleven general
categories, including Academic, Business, Medical, and Sports, are
also listed. Users wishing to narrow their searches and/or utilize
some lesser-known search engines will find this site a helpful
starting point. [MD]
>From The Scout Report, Copyright Internet Scout Project 1994-1999.
http://scout.cs.wisc.edu/
Net-Tamer V 1.11.2 - Registered
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Date: Mon, 20 Sep 1999 16:59:50 +0400
From: Alexey <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Search i by mail
Hello ACCMAILers !
I install SEARCH BY EMAIL 1003
(I get it Search By Mail? Free Win95+ software!
See http://www.netservs.com/search/ or mail to
[EMAIL PROTECTED] and say: get file searchi.exe )
BUt how can i find SEARCHI-Mail creator ? I want to ask him about
search request language ...
How can i find phrase, some words with "or" parameter, or use +
such at SEARCHINg engieens ???
Alexey.
-< [EMAIL PROTECTED] >-
\ [EMAIL PROTECTED] /
>--- IcQ 19667718 --<
20.09.1999
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Date: Mon, 20 Sep 1999 19:55:11 +0530
From: "Bera, Kousik" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: www4mail forms using IE5/Outlook Express
IE5 has this problem. Infact IE4 didn't have this problem and even I could
check up my postings by looking into the sent items folder. Netscape
messenger uses temp file for posting via mail. But from my experience
IE4/OE4 combination was the most efficient one.
You can get around this problem by using Netscape as the app for viewing
html files (which in turn will use Netscape Messenger for posting to
www4mail). Also you can use the XBYJS option. But it doesn't work for
posting which conatains lot of data and garbages(usually for popular search
engines).
Can anyone explain why it works for some browsers and for some browsers it
doesn't work?
Kousik
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> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED][SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> Sent: Tuesday, September 07, 1999 1:46 PM
> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Subject: www4mail forms using IE5/Outlook Express
>
> I have recently switched from Netscape to IE5 for viewing html files
> (forms) returned by [EMAIL PROTECTED] et al.
> However, when I press the "Get Selected Documents" button at the bottom of
> the page and Outlook Express starts up, all it shows is the "To:" field
> filled in, and nothing else. (This is unlike Netscape which just sent the
> form with no further intervention.)
>
> Therefore I do not get sent the requested documents.
>
> Can someone offer a suggestion as to what I am doing wrong. I have played
> around with OE's setting but can't see anything obvious.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Bob
>
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Date: Mon, 20 Sep 1999 04:23:19 +0400
From: Tavincev Valera <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: GopherMail: Format Unknow?
Good day!
Who will prompt format of calling a gopher of mail for: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
for mode "http"?
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Date: Mon, 20 Sep 1999 20:27:45 +0800
From: chen li <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: about interbot
Hello Accmailers,
Where can I find out the latest version of interbot. My email
accounts are IE 5.0 v. or Netscape 4.5 v..Yet the interbot I use
only support Netscape 3.0 v.It is not compatibale with IE Version
5.0 and Netsape version 4.5.
Best regards,
chen mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Date: Mon, 20 Sep 1999 20:13:12 +0530
From: sriranjan bose <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: searching for mailing lists.
can anybody tell me how to search for mailing lists thru email?
i tried [EMAIL PROTECTED] but it is not working although it
was working about a month ago.
thanx,
sriranjan bose,
118,vyas bhawan,
BITS,pilani,
rajasthan-333031.
email :[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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a journey of thousand miles begins with a single step.
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Date: Mon, 20 Sep 1999 20:50:24 +0400
From: Dmitry <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Zoltrix 33.600 upgrade to 56K
Hi!
Where can I find the software to upgrade Zoltrix V.34+ FM-HSP336p modem to
ITU V.90 56K ?
Dmitry
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Date: Mon, 20 Sep 1999 21:18:23 +0200
From: Uzi Paz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: User mail: My Deja
On 17 Sep 1999 09:39 -0700, Gerald E. Boyd <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:
> This is the second note I received from MyDeja about adding an email
> signup for the MyDeja Usenet Service. This would allow non web-users to
> signup to a Usenet Newsgroup that that can receive by email.
>
> >At 05:07 PM 9/16/99 -0500, Help8 wrote the following:
> >Greetings,
> >
> >Thank you for contacting Deja.com Customer Support.
> >At this time it has been determined that the process you mentioned is not
> >within our means, unfortunately. We have not, however, abandoned the
> idea
> >for use in further udgrades to the site. We appreciate your interest in
> >Deja.com and apologize for any inconvenience.
In the past, Deja offered for a short time posting via a web-form without
the need for cookies-enabled browser (and without the need for
registration). You could use that service via GetWeb.
Shortly after they put the service, they cancelled it due to mal-usage.
They then allowed only registered users via MyDeja (MyDejaNews at
that time) to post via their web form. Before this switch, MyDeja did not
ask for cookies for registration, but now, although all settings is on their
servers, so that if their cookies are deleted, you can still gain everything
and restore all settings from their server using your password, you can
no longer enter your account without a cookies enabled browser.
I think that they do not wish it (newsroups as mailing lists) to be a
service by e-mail only, due to authentication/mal-usage problems that
caused them to cancel their original non-cookies web-form submittal
service.
Uzi
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Date: Mon, 20 Sep 1999 22:16:01 +0300
From: "Alexander F. Chernetsky" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Excellent Idea...!!MAKE YOUR VOICE HEARD ABOUT LISZTER!!!
Hi, AccMailers
Many thanks all who respond to my posting on Mon, 13 Sep 1999.
I read you messages very carefully. It was very useful for me.
I learned much that was new. You convinced me of the truth of yours words.
Especially I liked idea (from Garcibal) about "elect the "server of the month"
and let its owners to know it".
Now I side with you. Thank you ever so much!
---
Sincerely yours,
Alexander
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Date: Mon, 20 Sep 1999 15:02:31 -0700
From: "Gerald E. Boyd" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: searching for mailing lists.
At 08:13 PM 9/20/99 +0530, sriranjan bose wrote the following:
>can anybody tell me how to search for mailing lists thru email?
>i tried [EMAIL PROTECTED] but it is not working although it
>was working about a month ago.
Use a www4mail server and request the main Liszt search engine web page:
http://www.liszt.com/
Fill out the form and resubmit to the www4mail server.
You can also use a search string and send to your favorite Agora or
agora like server:
send http://www.liszt.com/cgi-bin/liszt.cgi?word=XXX+YYY&junk=s&an=all
Replace XXX+YYY with your search terms
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Gerry Boyd -- [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Date: Mon, 20 Sep 1999 15:08:26 -0700
From: "Gerald E. Boyd" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Zoltrix 33.600 upgrade to 56K
At 08:50 PM 9/20/99 +0400, Dmitry wrote the following:
>Where can I find the software to upgrade Zoltrix V.34+ FM-HSP336p
modem to
>ITU V.90 56K ?
Upgradeable to ITU V.90* standard at: http://1ymzhle.com/pctelupgrade
* There will be a small fee to cover the cost imposed by the ITU.
Use a www4mail server to retrieve this web page...
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Gerry Boyd -- [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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