There are 15 messages totalling 622 lines in this issue. Topics of the day: 1. Logging Into Yahoo and Other Mail Accounts via E-mail. 2. FTPMail, Agora, etc. statistics (3) 3. uploading to an ftp site (2) 4. Retrieve "mailto:" address from web pages: possible??? 5. Big File from E-mail 6. Why [EMAIL PROTECTED] often couldn't be used? 7. BINKY made the list? 8. Binky missing 9. about REBOL 10. Limited Mail Box Size Re: <No subject given> 11. changes at onelist 12. Sending Email with picture without attachment ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ ACCMAIL Info (automatically generated) ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ To UNSUBscribe: Send UNSUBSCRIBE ACCMAIL to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To get the ACCMAIL FAQ: Send e-mail to "[EMAIL PROTECTED]" and enter only this line in the BODY of the note: send usenet/news.answers/internet-services/access-via-email ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Thu, 14 Oct 1999 07:29:03 +0600 From: K Sethu <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: Logging Into Yahoo and Other Mail Accounts via E-mail. At 12:41:39, 6 Oct 1999 +0500, S RAMAMURTHY <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote the following : >Dear Listers > >I have tried hard many a times to log into my Yahoo mail account by >submitting the login page to www4 server. But got back only "Error Setting >Cookie" page. I am not able to log into the www.netaddress.com too. > >Any of you who have successfully logged into any mail account via e-mail >may please enlighten me about the method used to do so. > Dear Azeem, I had explored the possibilities with Yahoo! Mail by way of www4mail server back in June this year and some more times after that. (Last was sometime in August, I think). I was targeting to see if I could login & download unread mails from the Inbox of my Yahoo mail account. When one logs in to Yahoo Mail, the welcome message page has, in addition to the links for mail related activities, links to other services such as Yahoo! Auction, PIM... etc. I never tried to ACCMAIL access those other services; and I had also not tried some of the links for mail related activities like "Compose", "Addresses".... The links I tried were : 1) To log in using the form from either <http://mail.yahoo.com> or <http://mail.yahoo.co.uk> (Both are like mirrors - my yahoo mail address has "yahoo.co.uk" after @ sign, perhaps because while setting my Yahoo Mail account online, I had chosen English (UK) english as the language of my choice. However, I can log in through either of "yahoo.com" and "yahoo.co.uk" - the same user name and password are acceptable through both login forms). 2) To fetch "Inbox" 3) To fetch "Folders" 4) From Inbox , fetch a unread mail listed in the Inbox to read Based on trials till middle of August '99 my findings are : Log in to Yahoo! Mail can be successful via www4mail server of ICTP (Trieste) but fails via that of Bellanet. The response messages from the Bellanet server were the same "Error Setting Cookie" page that you have found. I never tried the third one : <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> ( I had then understood from posting of Clement Onime and Lena that only the Trieste server has some support for cookies but not the other two). When Log-in gets established via the Trieste server, fetching of the Inbox & Folders were also possible, and I had success with these, two or three times. But these activities can easily get delayed a lot, and / or end up failing many a times, because of not meeting some time deadlines for reply commands reaching back Yahoo. I find that there are two types of time deadlines - first is the time limit for waiting by Yahoo before requesting password for verifying - this waiting period can be set by the account holder (via Account Information, I think). But whatever is that time limit, if the www4mail reaches back Yahoo after that time, then Yahoo would respond requesting to enter password for verifcation - causing a wastage of one transmission. The second time deadline is the Expiration time for a login session, the default for which is 8 hours. After that 8 hours, Yahoo would "forget" all the cookies doled out by it to a log-in client, and it would necessiate a Re-login to start again. (I understand that our www4mail server at Trieste however would keep those cookies for 30 days - what a waste of server's storage spaces !) So if the Trieste server gets overloaded, as it seems to be the case very often, then chances are very very high for encountering a log-in expiry.. and I did experience such time wasting failures many times. I have twice tried the last but the most important step of fetching a mail listed in the Inbox - and both times it FAILED - The error message is from the Trieste www4mail server itself : "Error 400 - Unknown request - This mail does not contain any valid request". So apparently something goes wrong with the browser generated message (- generated when a Inbox listed mail is marked and "Get Selected Documents" pressed). I think even if the aforementioned error can be avoided by way of some work around and fetching a mail from the Inbox becomes feasible, the ACCMAIL approach for fetching mail from Yahoo would be still unreliable and time wasting. The response time of the www4mail server would be the major bottleneck. And for those reasons I had not persisted further. K Sethu ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 14 Oct 1999 17:02:08 +0800 From: "Richard Glenn R. Aceron" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: FTPMail, Agora, etc. statistics From: "Yu, Kelvin Stanley T." <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >Can someone teach me on how to use these servers? >I've tried using [EMAIL PROTECTED] but it only offers a maximum of >1mb per day ... Is there a server that offers service that can offer more >than 1 mb / day? > Yes, there are many. The www4mail servers offers us more than 1 MB per day. Although some of them limit us to no more than 100 requests per week. By the way, did you know that we can also use the princeton bitftp server to get more than 1 MB? I used it once to get a file that amounted to more than 6 MB. We must be sure though that our mailboxes can hold that much because if our mailboxes ever become full, it will bounce back to the server and there is no way we can get parts with the princeton bitftp server. That's why I now use the www4mail servers because I can always tell it to retrieve only parts of what I'm asking even though I know that my mailbox can hold so much data but hey, you never know...... And oh, I almost forgot (malapit nang makalimutan)..... :-) You asked how to use these servers? You can get the help files by writing to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with help in the body of your message. >> >> Note: [EMAIL PROTECTED] doesn't reply to .net or .com addresses. > *** Are there any replacements for this service? > No. None that I know of. But I'm still using it to this day to fill out forms. But l bet I can also do this with the www4mail servers. Good luck and good afternoon, Kelvin. :-) -- Richard Glenn R. Aceron [EMAIL PROTECTED] "'Tis better to be silent and be thought a fool, than to speak and remove all doubt." - =|:-)= ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 14 Oct 1999 11:39:32 +0100 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: FTPMail, Agora, etc. statistics FTPMail, Agora, etc. statistics for Wed 13 Oct 1999, posted Thu, 14 Oct 1999 10:38:33 GMT Less than 1 hour [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] 1-4 hours [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] 4-10 hours [EMAIL PROTECTED] More than 10 hours [EMAIL PROTECTED] Response within 4 hours in at least 5 out of 7 recent tests [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Note: [EMAIL PROTECTED] doesn't reply to .net or .com addresses. This data is generated automatically around 0600 GMT/BST most days. The performance reported is dependant on many factors and your experience may vary. You can also access this list: On the Web at http://www.netservs.com/mrcool/stats.htm (We recently discontinued the copy available via FTP) Mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and say "get file stats.txt" (no quotes) Want this list every day? Send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and in the body of your message put "join statistics" (no quotes) No liability is accepted for inaccuracies. Mirroring, links to and copying of this entire file (not extracts) is permitted until further notice. Slow downloads? Try Mr. Cool! See http://www.netservs.com/mrcool/ Copyright Net Services 1999. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 14 Oct 1999 15:33:00 +0100 From: Steve Harris <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: FTPMail, Agora, etc. statistics > I've tried using [EMAIL PROTECTED] but it only offers a maximum > of 1mb per day Not so. It sends files of up to 17 megabytes. A soon as you go over 1 megabyte you are blocked for *further* requests that day. Steve Harris - Net Services Fast modem but slow downloads? Try Mr. Cool! http://www.netservs.com/mrcool/ or mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and say: get file mrcooli.exe ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 14 Oct 1999 17:43:43 +0330 From: "Mohammad R. Arjomandi" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: uploading to an ftp site Crossposted to HELP-NET and ACCMAIL mailing lists (Sorry if somewhat off-topic, but there was no answer to Q.2 in PcWorks) Dears, 1. Is there any way to upload to an ftp site using email methods? 2. What is the meaning of postscript? How can be the papers so that they have postscript format? Is M$ Word2000 is capable of doing so? 3. How can I open files with PS extension? I need your answers to persent my papers somewhere. Thanks, Mohammad MRAL: http://209.236.159.6/users/arjomandi/ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 14 Oct 1999 08:04:45 +0200 From: Roberto <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Retrieve "mailto:" address from web pages: possible??? Hi all. I wondering if possible to retrieve "mailto:" address from www pages. I'm looking for e-mail of industries, to submitting some job curricula. Is possible to obtain that with e-mail tools (like agora, bitnet oe others)??? TIA for responses. R. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 14 Oct 1999 08:20:04 -0300 From: "Dr.Guillermo A. Johnson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Big File from E-mail Hello accmailers, I'd like to find how i can retrieve from a web page a big file (4 MB) email.For example: http://www.microsoft.com/bigfile.zip Thanks ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 15 Oct 1999 00:02:08 +0800 From: Li Yuan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Why [EMAIL PROTECTED] often couldn't be used? Do you know the reason? ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 14 Oct 1999 09:31:52 -0700 From: "Gerald E. Boyd" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: uploading to an ftp site At 05:43 PM 10/14/99 +0330, Mohammad R. Arjomandi wrote the following: >Crossposted to HELP-NET and ACCMAIL mailing lists > >1. Is there any way to upload to an ftp site using email methods? Nope... >2. What is the meaning of postscript? How can be the papers so that they >have postscript format? Is M$ Word2000 is capable of doing so? Postscript is a page description language (PDL) developed by Adobe Systems originally for the Apple computer. PostScript is primarily a language for printing documents on laser printers, but it can be adapted to produce images on other types of devices. PostScript is the standard for desktop publishing because it is supported by imagesetters, the very high-resolution printers used by service bureaus to produce camera-ready copy. >3. How can I open files with PS extension? Under Windows, Unix, VMS and OS/2 you can use Ghostscript. http://www.cs.wisc.edu/~ghost/ -- Gerry Boyd -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 14 Oct 1999 12:19:17 PDT From: J�rel DD Arbaugh <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: BINKY made the list? }FTPMail, Agora, etc. statistics for Thu 7 Oct 1999, posted Fri, 08 Oct 1999 05: }00:17 GMT } }Less than 1 hour } }[EMAIL PROTECTED] }[EMAIL PROTECTED] }[EMAIL PROTECTED] }[EMAIL PROTECTED] } ... Binky has been slower than typical of late. Now I have a better idea why! 8-} ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 14 Oct 1999 12:38:23 PDT From: J�rel DD Arbaugh <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: Binky missing }Date: Fri, 8 Oct 1999 17:25:26 -0400 }From: Mark F McClaine <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> }Subject: Binky missing } }I sent a request to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and received an }error message stating Host unknown (Name server: }junoaccmail: host not found) It appears they are no longer }in service. } }Mark } }------------------------------ "Host unknown" is likely a name server fault. I have not gotten one of those in my almost daily use of binky. I need to look at the quotas and see if it has reached the 1000 user limit yet. -- | [EMAIL PROTECTED] Jerel. --- ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 14 Oct 1999 12:03:21 PDT From: J�rel DD Arbaugh <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: about REBOL }Date: Wed, 6 Oct 1999 23:45:14 +0500 }From: Irfan Khan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> }Subject: about REBOL } }hello accmailers, } }there is a new free (but not "open source") scripting/ messaging }language called REBOL [http://www.rebol.com] that uses English- }like syntax to send, receive, filter, and manipulate e-mails (and so }many other tasks). ... } }i believe that it can be used by ACCMAILERS to automate many }operations, like accessing all those servers. the REBOL interpreter }is tiny [around 130Kb], and is available for many platforms. } }irfan } }------------------------------ 1: I do not think REBOL is new, though I have seen little about it. I will be checking out your refferences. 2: I do NOT consider 130K to be tine! Small by todays standards, but not tiny! ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 14 Oct 1999 12:52:36 PDT From: J�rel DD Arbaugh <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Limited Mail Box Size Re: <No subject given> }Date: Mon, 11 Oct 1999 09:40:54 +0400 }From: Alexander Matveev <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> }Subject: <No subject given> } }( Excuse for my English, I from Russia and write through the electronic }interpreter) } }Hi! } }I have "internet only e-mail access", but the mailbox is too small for receivin }g }large files from e-mail (> 2Mb). Suggest as me them to receive?. } } Alexander Matveev [EMAIL PROTECTED] } }------------------------------ Most servers have some form of a "size" or "split" command that will break the item in to parts. However, for mailbox size, not message size, you need to use a server that supports a "parts" command, so that you can get only as many parts as will safely fit in your mailbox at a given time. The juno 1MB limit allows a file of up to about 600K, before encoding. Larger files need to be gotten in parts, as well as split. Good Luck! -- | [EMAIL PROTECTED] Jerel. --- ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 14 Oct 1999 11:56:39 PDT From: J�rel DD Arbaugh <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: changes at onelist }Date: Wed, 6 Oct 1999 18:04:15 +0200 }From: "Lena [Kiev.Ukraine]" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> }Subject: Re: changes at onelist } ... } }I'm subscribed to the mailing list I own (and moderate subscription, }the list itself isn't moderated) on ONElist in separate postings }("normal", contrary to digest) mode. And to several other lists }on ONElist in digest mode. I don't see such changes. My email program }doesn't understand attachments at all, it just shows me complete }header and body of each letter. So I clearly see when a letter }is a multi-part MIME message. My list is active, there were postings even }after the ACCMAIL digest with this your posting. I don't see any sign }of attachments in postings, same "Content-Type: text/plain; charset=...". }Nothing changed in ONElist ads since June 22 when '<a href="' tags }were added to some ads. } }Note that I have set "no attachments" mode for my list because }in any case attachments aren't placed into digests }and list archive on <http://www.onelist.com>. } }I can suppose two possible explanations: } }1. You somehow changed settings of your email program and it now }simulates multi-part message because of the links in the ads. Try to view }whole letter - full header and body together ("document source" or such). } }2. ONElist indeed changed something, but it doesn't affect lists }for which attachments are forbidden. You can ask your list moderator }to forbid attachments (it's one of list settings, can be changed }at any time). } }------------------------------ Your settings must be text only. (default for email-subscribe, but not for www-subscribe) Those, like myself, that are in text-only mode will see no difference. -- | [EMAIL PROTECTED] Jerel. --- ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 14 Oct 1999 21:25:13 EDT From: William C Andrews <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: Sending Email with picture without attachment Gad Alexander <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> asked: >We know that a picture can be attached to an Email. However we >know the risk of opening an attachment of an Email. This is *identical* to the one that you asked on Help-Net. Here goes a more detailed answer. Attachments are only risky IF and *ONLY* if they cause your computer to carry out instructions that they carry (for example, over-writing your operating system) OR cause your computer to carry out other code that is already on your computer that can cause damage (for example, causing FDISK or FORMAT to run). Typically such files are considered to be "program" files, *.EXE or *.COM (which would account for almost ALL "viruses" and "worms"). Picture files, *.jpg, *.bmp, *.gif, *.tif, *.ico, etc., are opened by programs, such as your broswer or graphics program, thus they are safe to open. Movies, *.avi, *.mpg, *.mov, etc., also require an external program to open them and are safe. Sound files, *.mpg, *.wav, *.mid, etc., need a program to play them and thus are safe. Compressed/library files, *.zip, *.arc, *.zoo, *.arj, etc., can contain any file type within them. The files that are conatined in compressed files can be safe or dangerous, depending on what type they are. A FREE virus checker that is available by ACCMail methods has just released a new version. F-PROT is available at: ftp://garbo.uwasa.fi/pc/virus/fp-306.zip ftp://ftp.simtel.net/pub/simtelnet/msdos/virus/fp-306.zip http://www.simtel.net/pub/simtelnet/msdos/virus/fp-306.zip And mirrors of these sites should have F-PROT soon. Also there is a mail-server (avoid using it if you can). For further help about the mail-server, send a message to "[EMAIL PROTECTED]" containing the following in the body: send help For more info and the latest version number you can use an agora server to finger [EMAIL PROTECTED] . >I tried to send per Email a picture I have in my computer. I >can do it only with pictures which are in html-Format. I sent >the pictures to my address and it came back. With the pictures! >Not as a attachemt. Any picture file that is sent via e-mail IS an attachment. How your e-mail program handles it doesn't matter. HTML isn't a picture format. It can reference other files that are pictures, but it isn't. It maybe that the e-mail that you sent had the HTML code that referenced the file on your machine. For example, if the file is C:\windows\programs\myprog\myprog.gif and you send yourself a message that has the HTML code that references that file your e-mail program can then display it without ever having sent the actual file. >My question: >Is it possible also to send a picture in bmp-format per Email? >And in other formats? You can attach any file format you want. The only pictures that could be risky is a file that is a self-displaying, for example if you were unfortunate enough to get HAPPY99.EXE and ran it you would see the fireworks and get infected. -- William Andrews [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.geocities.com/CapeCanaveral/Runway/3091/ Reduce-Reuse-Recycle Shun including the entire text in replies. ------------------------------ End of ACCMAIL Digest - 13 Oct 1999 to 14 Oct 1999 (#1999-288) **************************************************************
