SUS is basically WindowsUpdate (or more specifically, Automatic Updates
from XP SP1 or 2000 SP3), but you control what updates go out. You still
use the GPO to dictate how they get the updates, but instead you point
them at one of your servers (with IIS and the SUS server component) for
their patches. You can either just host the 'list' of updates they
should get, and then the clients download them from Microsoft as normal;
or you can 'synchronize' your SUS server with MS and have ALL of the
updates local (this would be most useful in the firewalled environment).

I hope this helps,
Chris

---------------------------------------------------------
Christopher England
Server Administrator
MCSA, Server+, Network+, A+
College Information Technology Office
Indiana University


-----Original Message-----
From: John Parker [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Wednesday, September 10, 2003 8:08 AM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: RE: [ActiveDir] What is SUS?

Please forgive my naievity...

How is this different from the windows update component in my Group
policy?

And, is this a seperate piece of software?  Or is it included with
Server?

John Parker, MCSE
IS Admin.
Senior Technical Specialist
Digital Display Systems.

Alpha Video
7711 Computer Ave.
Edina, MN. 55435
 
952-896-9898 Local
800-388-0008 Watts
952-896-9899 Fax
612-804-8769 Cell
952-841-3327 Direct

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-----Original Message-----
From: Tim Hines [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Wednesday, September 10, 2003 7:26 AM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: [ActiveDir] What is SUS?


It stands for Software Update Services.  You can use it to deploy
updates to your clients.  You can setup an internal server that stores
updates that you download from the web.  Your clients will then use this
server to obtain
their updates.   You can find more info about it at
http://www.microsoft.com/windows2000/windowsupdate/sus/
--
Tim Hines, MCSE, MCSA


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "John Parker" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Wednesday, September 10, 2003 8:17 AM
Subject: [ActiveDir] What is SUS?


Hey all..

No flames ok?
I'm covered in jet fuel.

Could someone explain what SUS is?
I thik it is for windows updates, but I am not sure, and if it is
something
that would streamline my updates, then I would like to know more.

Thank you

John Parker, MCSE
IS Admin.
Senior Technical Specialist
Digital Display Systems.

Alpha Video
7711 Computer Ave.
Edina, MN. 55435

952-896-9898 Local
800-388-0008 Watts
952-896-9899 Fax
612-804-8769 Cell
952-841-3327 Direct

[EMAIL PROTECTED]
"Be excellent to each other"
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-----Original Message-----
From: Rick Kingslan [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Tuesday, September 09, 2003 8:35 PM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: RE: [ActiveDir] SUS Feedback...


William,

We, too, run SUS with great success - much of the warts have already
been
mentioned so I won't elaborate.

However, we knew that ther was an issue with users not shutting of their
systems.  What we implemented to resolve this and to insure that updates
did
get applied - especially in the case of vulns like MS03-07 and MS03-26 -
we
have a script that will do a rolling 'restart' of systems.  Granted, our
systems are named in a logical manner for our production seats, but our
staff seats are on their own subnet - so we just reboot anything between
specific IP ranges - and have it spaced out (by minutes, hours, or days
=
depending on criticallity) so that the systems don't overload the DCs
and
SUS systems, oh yeah - and the network <g>.

It's been effective for us for a fair amount of time (10 - 12 mos.) and
we
are running this in 14 of our remote locations as well as our local
campus
WAN with 8 buildings.

Rick Kingslan  MCSE, MCSA, MCT
Microsoft MVP - Active Directory
Associate Expert
Expert Zone - www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/expertzone


-----Original Message-----
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of William
Lefkovics
Sent: Tuesday, September 09, 2003 3:33 PM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: [ActiveDir] SUS Feedback...

We share the same issues.

But we have laptops that have traveled the country or just get taken
home
each night, but haven't been rebooted in weeks.  They just hibernate on
battery power til next time they are opened.

Essentially, we have chosen to not shut off workstations at days' end.
They
remain running 24/7.  Updates for antivirus, patches for applications or
OS
all happen after hours for desktops.

William

----- Original Message -----
From: "Roger Seielstad" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Tuesday, September 09, 2003 11:59 AM
Subject: RE: [ActiveDir] SUS Feedback...


> I've been running SUS SP1 for a week or two now - finally got time to
> implement it.
>
> I'd second a lot of the basic limitations of the product - its not
perfect,
> but it does do a good job with the basics. If you're aware of the
limits,
> it's a good way to push the more critical OS layer stuff.
>
> The biggest issue I've got is dealing with the automatic reboots - a
lot
of
> MS patches (as you know) require restarts to take effect. The decision
as
to
> whether or not to force reboot isn't easy, and I wish there was some
form
of
> recurring reminder to reboot.
>
> In my environment, that can be an issue - I have a heavily laptop
oriented
> client base, so I have to schedule the updates to happen when they're
here
> (I chose Noon), but that's a busy time for people, so forcing a reboot
then
> isn't a great option. Fortunately, most laptops get shut down and
taken
home
> at night. My desktops, however, probably won't get rebooted, so that's
a
> problem. And more often than not, the desktops are on the desks of
people
> who are going to cause me pain (development and customer support).
>
> I'd like to be able to do some form of filtering (WMI?) for client
type
and
> have different settings for different boxes, and I *think* that's on
the
> books for 2.0, but I don't know.
>
> --------------------------------------------------------------
> Roger D. Seielstad - MTS MCSE MS-MVP
> Sr. Systems Administrator
> Inovis Inc.
>
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Myrick, Todd (NIH/CIT) [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > Sent: Tuesday, September 09, 2003 1:12 PM
> > To: '[EMAIL PROTECTED]'
> > Subject: [ActiveDir] SUS Feedback...
> >
> >
> > Is anyone out there running Software Update Service?  I want
> > to gage what
> > the general opinion of the service is.  I personally think that
there
> > probably needs to be two approaches when it comes to a
> > service like this.
> > One is a pull service based on GPO agent configuration, the
> > other is a push
> > service based on a need to force workstation updates on
> > down-level clients,
> > and those that seem to ride outside the SUS zone.
> >
> > Any comments?
> >
> > Thanks,
> >
> > Todd Myrick
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