:o) Come on Rick think damn you! I need the laugh!
I have a laugh for you though. Imagine a product that works in a cross realm (cross domain) manner fine for say modifying distribution lists via the most common client used for it. Now say you upgrade that product and now, you can no longer do this DL management consistently with your common client but instead are told you need to teach your exec admins who own the lists how to use AD Admin tools or build a web site to do the management or a special app or hard code the client to point at specific servers. So then you say, well crap let's build an app or use the admin tools and then you have to remind your vendor that due to the way they hide the membership in these DL's the people who own the list can't see who is on it to effectively manage it unless they are one of the actual email servers OR have account op rights.... It will take another custom script/app to get to the point that you can allow this delegated management instead of the built-in tools having the flexibility to do it. Again, all for functionality that has existed in the product previously and was easy to use. Most basically I could write fairly elegant functional solutions for all of this and post on the joeware site but the question I have and that I seem to continue to have every week... If this product has been out 3 years, why aren't these things figured out and fixes released already? This is a client issue... Oh ok so client 2000 and client xp have an issue and you fixed it in the just released client 2003 correct? Errr... no. But the interface is still in client 2003 to make you think you should do it that way.... Ah yah. How does this all tie together? Exchange cookbook recipe #1.... Take Exchange media from media sleeve. Place in pot of boiling water. Let simmer for 4-6 hours on high rolling boil. Remove from heat. Add a dash of vanilla to make it smell good. Pour down the sink. :op -----Original Message----- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Rick Kingslan Sent: Saturday, September 27, 2003 12:17 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > "If, however, when you say advanced admins you mean admins bright > enough to buy the right books." The alien creature frowned briefly and consulted what appeared to be some species of clipboard that it was holding in its thin and spindly alien hand. "Joe Richards?" it said. Joe nodded helplessly... <SNIP> Ahhh....everyone's seen this one. If I only could have come up with something original (that was remotely as funny). :p -rtk (Responding to troll bait in 'Full Disclosure' and waiting to get flamed like a like a bad steak.....) -----Original Message----- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Joe Sent: Friday, September 26, 2003 11:00 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: [ActiveDir] Robbie's 'Tuna' book - It's imminently available! I agree with this except the advanced admins statement. I think this is a one size fits nearly all. When you need a quick hitter you pull this off the shelf. If, however, when you say advanced admins you mean admins bright enough to buy the right books. Yep this will be on the shelves of the advanced admins. joe -----Original Message----- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Sullivan, Kevin Sent: Friday, September 26, 2003 9:07 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Congratulations Robbie, you have done, once again, a fantastic job. This book is going to be a staple for advanced AD administrator's. I have to agree with Rick, I didn't quite realize the magnitude of what Robbie was doing until I had the book in my hands (this afternoon!). Go get it. Kevin -----Original Message----- From: Rick Kingslan [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, September 26, 2003 3:59 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] All - Most of you have read the threads that have accompanied the journey that began some months ago when Robbie announced that he was writing a new book - "The Active Directory Cookbook" (published by O'Reilly) - which covers some very cool 'how-to' information on Windows 2000 and 2003 Active Directory (and supporting players). Some of you may also be aware that Joe Richards, Todd Myrick, Gil Kirkpatrick, Tony Murray, Kevin Sullivan, and I were invited to assist with the Technical Review of the book. I mentioned to some folks that this book is an "Active Directory FAQ on steroids". I truly didn't realize the gravity of this statement until I had the book in my hands. Yes, O'Reilly kindly sent me (as well, I'm sure, the rest of the reviewers) a copy of the book. And, it now is happily bookended with the 'Cat' book - Robbie and Alistair Lowe-Norris' brilliant "Active Directory 2/e" and Robbie and Richard Puckett's "Managing Enterprise Active Directory Services". Add to this a couple more books, and you will have a full, definitive reference on the totality of understanding, managing, designing, scripting, and generally surviving Active Directory - successfully. I admit it - I'm probably biased. But, I think that the Tuna book is due to become a classic reference for Active Directory. It has a unique and fresh approach to doing things that you're not going to find documented in one place. So, if you don't have a copy of the 'Tuna' reserved yet, Amazon is taking reservations - as well as you're local Borders or Barnes and Noble. What ARE you waiting for? ;-) Rick Kingslan MCSE, MCSA, MCT Microsoft MVP - Active Directory Associate Expert Expert Zone - www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/expertzone List info : http://www.activedir.org/mail_list.htm List FAQ : http://www.activedir.org/list_faq.htm List archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/activedir%40mail.activedir.org/ List info : http://www.activedir.org/mail_list.htm List FAQ : http://www.activedir.org/list_faq.htm List archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/activedir%40mail.activedir.org/ List info : http://www.activedir.org/mail_list.htm List FAQ : http://www.activedir.org/list_faq.htm List archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/activedir%40mail.activedir.org/ List info : http://www.activedir.org/mail_list.htm List FAQ : http://www.activedir.org/list_faq.htm List archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/activedir%40mail.activedir.org/ List info : http://www.activedir.org/mail_list.htm List FAQ : http://www.activedir.org/list_faq.htm List archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/activedir%40mail.activedir.org/
