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NOD. Let them go down that road. It is a learning curve. I
don't expect Lunix (mispell intended :oP ) to learn from the mistakes made by
MS. It is simply at the point now where NT4 or 3.5 were way back when it was the
unhackable unbeatable unbreakable uncrashable new Kid OS running around. In
order for them to get the mass appeal in the home they have to make it very
simple to install just like MS did it which means starting up all the common
stuff automatically. Unfortunately the help for the regular joe (in my opinion)
is not quite as easy when that automated method blows up because you have to
start asking what dist what kernel what this what that, etc. With Windows it was
simply what version, oh ok, do this.
I think the last thing most of the hard core Linux people
truly want is for it to become mainstream. It will evolve from what they liked
about it. It won't be cool anymore.
I am really curious to see what Novell will do with its
recent purchases. If they port NDS MS might actually have a serious contender
coming up for knocking down AD. The one thing is I never saw a really large NDS
deployment so I am curious how well their replication engine will stand up. From
my experiences AD's replication engine kicks the snot out of iPlanet's LDAP
server. We had a large data population for Exchange 2000 which involved some 80
or so attributes for each of some 200k users in my AD spread across some 400 DCs
around the world and one time stamp update for all of the same users in our
iPlanet directory composed of 5 big bad Solaris boxes within 10 feet of each
other. The iPlanet directory said uncle before we did when we were slowly
cranking up the import speed. Their replication started really messing them up
and we were just above idle.
joe
Various Linux distro's have already gone down the wrong rode, IMO. Many
of them are using the install too much by default concept to make it easier -
which is exactly what Microsoft is backing away from with Win2k3 and presumably
Longhorn.
Its
one of the reasons that my preferred free Unix is still OpenBSD (and FreeBSD a
close second) - just about everything is off by default, requiring conscious
action by the admin to enable most of the things that could harm
them.
Roger
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Roger D. Seielstad -
MTS MCSE MS-MVP
Sr. Systems Administrator
Inovis Inc.
Should be interesting
to watch Linux in the next couple of years... as KDE and Gnome are really
starting to resemble some other OS that slips my mind, and lots of GUI
interfaces to configure things, and well just making it real easy for some of
those displaced less-qualified admins to put Linux on their resume... used to
be you could fake it with Windows but had to know what you were doing with
Linux. Even though NT4 was perhaps too easy to run setup and see what
happens and wow instant datacenter, it certainly did a lot to increase MS'
market share.
DNS is not hard...
once you figure it out. Remember trying to figure out subnet masks?
Once you figure out TCP/IP and routing, it seems easy. But I
remember it being way over my head once. Ditto DNS, although the wizards
help you get in over your head quickly and not know it until it breaks -
that's when you learn. Maybe soon MCSE tests will have broken AD or DR
scenarios, where you can even pull up Google to research the answer and you
have to fix the problem. Would that be too close to real life?? Or too
much like the CCIE lab? J
Rich
From: Roger
Seielstad [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Monday, February 09, 2004 10:19
AM
To:
'[EMAIL PROTECTED]'
Subject: RE: [ActiveDir] DNS SOA entered
incorrectly during installation
DNS isn't *that*
hard to understand.
And I'm on record
saying that the biggest mistake Microsoft made with Windows NT4 was making the
GUI too close to Win95's - made it way too easy for people to fall into the
trap of thinking they're very similar, which we know they are not. And that
mentality is what led to a lot of underqualified admins making poor choices,
thereby giving NT4 the bad rep it got. (Ok - maybe part of the
reason)
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Roger D. Seielstad -
MTS MCSE MS-MVP
Sr. Systems
Administrator
Inovis
Inc.
-----Original
Message-----
From: Rich
Milburn [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Monday, February 09, 2004 11:11
AM
To:
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: RE: [ActiveDir] DNS SOA
entered incorrectly during installation
Makes sense -
although seems like if it did the default domain suffix it would save some
newbies a few hours or days... then again, nah leave it as is, job security!
LOL
The first couple of
times I spent a long time trying to figure this out and kept going back to
the install DNS with DCPROMO option. I found the SOA problem by
accident (by reading the dialog, funny how that helps
sometimes)
Rich
From: Roger
Seielstad [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Monday, February 09, 2004 9:07
AM
To:
'[EMAIL PROTECTED]'
Subject: RE: [ActiveDir] DNS SOA
entered incorrectly during installation
The SOA doesn't
have to exist in the domain in question. Put another way, the SOA for
domain.com doesn't have to be soa.domain.com, it could be
soa.someotherdomain.com
For instance, look
at my company's primary domain (inovis.com) -
bash-2.04$ dig in
soa inovis.com
; <<>>
DiG 9.1.2 <<>> in soa inovis.com
;; global options:
printcmd
;; Got answer:
;; ->>HEADER<<- opcode: QUERY,
status: NOERROR, id: 39141
;; flags: qr rd ra; QUERY: 1, ANSWER: 1,
AUTHORITY: 0, ADDITIONAL: 0
;; QUESTION
SECTION:
;inovis.com.
IN SOA
;; ANSWER
SECTION:
inovis.com.
1800 IN
SOA ns1.inovisinc.net. hostmaster.inovisinc.net.
2003121401 1800 600 604800 1800
The SOA record for
inovis.com lives in inovisinc.net. Therefore, it doesn't necessarily make
sense for the SOA to automatically populate with the suffix of the domain in
which it exists.
--------------------------------------------------------------
Roger D. Seielstad
- MTS MCSE MS-MVP
Sr.
Systems Administrator
Inovis
Inc.
-----Original
Message-----
From: Rich
Milburn [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Monday, February 09, 2004 9:34
AM
To:
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: [ActiveDir] DNS SOA entered
incorrectly during installation
It's possible
I've seen this behavior because I'm doing something wrong, but I think it
might be a bug? Anyway, whenever I've set up DNS separately from
DCPROMO, set up my forward and reverse zones, then pointed my soon-to-be
DC at it and run DCPROMO, it tells me the DNS could not be found or does
not accept dynamic registrations. So when I go back onto the DNS to
check what I did wrong, I find that I have to go into the SOA record and
add the domain name (to make it a FQDN and not just a host name).
Voila, it works. So the question is, if the SOA is created
automatically, and it knows the domain name (because it is the SOA record
for that domain's zone, duh!), shouldn't it write the FQDN there or assume
if the domain suffix is not specified that it should tack on it's own
domain name just like it does for any of the other records? Or am I
missing something?
Thanks
Rich
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