Ah yes. So SPA uses similar back end stuff to adperf (just more of it, and better, and more efficient in a lot of ways). And spa is more intelligent.
If you can trick spa in to thinking the data is it's own (or adperf or has enough to keep it happy), sure you can use spa to compile the data. But really, the best bet is to use spa itself to collect the data and compile it on another box you have around. -----Original Message----- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Darren Mar-Elia Sent: Wednesday, February 23, 2005 5:46 PM To: [email protected] Subject: RE: [ActiveDir] Anyone use Server Performance Analyzer? Well, its been a while since I've looked at adperf, but essentially on a Win2K DC, there was support for event tracing with a subset of the AD providers (e.g. AD:core, AD: Kerberos, etc.) supported on 2003. The Win2K event tracing created binary .etl files that *appeared* to be able to be parsed by the 2003 command-line tools. Just curious if SPA supported that as well. -----Original Message----- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Eric Fleischman Sent: Wednesday, February 23, 2005 3:32 PM To: [email protected] Subject: RE: [ActiveDir] Anyone use Server Performance Analyzer? Can you define "win2k ad providers"? If you mean adperf, yes. If you mean something else, please clarify, because it depends. -----Original Message----- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Darren Mar-Elia Sent: Wednesday, February 23, 2005 5:20 PM To: [email protected] Subject: RE: [ActiveDir] Anyone use Server Performance Analyzer? Eric- One thing on Win2K--can you crunch .etl files that the Win2K AD providers spit out using SPA? I thought I remembered being able to do reporting against those with the Server 2003 tracerpt utility, so I'm wondering if SPA can do it too? Darren -----Original Message----- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Eric Fleischman Sent: Wednesday, February 23, 2005 3:12 PM To: [email protected] Subject: RE: [ActiveDir] Anyone use Server Performance Analyzer? Oh, I should add, I _hope_ people who use SPA in production environments know to use the tool in data only mode, then compile it later. This way the expensive part of the run (report compilation) can be offloaded to a non-loaded DC. Just set SPA on the DC to run in data mode. Then when you hit stop snatch the data from the transfer directory in the data directory you have designated. Drop that on a machine you want to compile the data on (your workstation, etc.) and just compile it there. I'm a fan of command line so I use: apacmd compile "active directory" Then enjoy! Also, I love using the windowing feature to window in on a piece of the report rather than chewing through the whole thing. Finally, circular logging is nice for long term runs....so you can log "until a problem" rather than trying to start it at just the right time. ~Eric -----Original Message----- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Eric Fleischman Sent: Wednesday, February 23, 2005 5:02 PM To: [email protected] Subject: RE: [ActiveDir] Anyone use Server Performance Analyzer? Correct Paresh, but you can do some complication of other data from 2k (like adperf) with SPA on a 2k3 box after the fact. So you can have some of the SPA benefits w/o 2k3 DCs, even though you don't get the whole experience. :) -----Original Message----- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Paresh Nhathalal Sent: Wednesday, February 23, 2005 4:45 PM To: [email protected]; [email protected] Subject: RE: [ActiveDir] Anyone use Server Performance Analyzer? Please do note that SPA can only be used on Windows Server 2003 and not on Windows 2000 (as fas as I know)... PN ________________________________ From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] on behalf of Nathan Muggli Sent: Wed 23/02/2005 20:55 To: [email protected] Subject: RE: [ActiveDir] Anyone use Server Performance Analyzer? http://www.microsoft.com/downloads/details.aspx?FamilyID=61a41d78-e4aa-47b9-901b-cf85da075a73&displaylang=en ________________________________ From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Francis Ouellet Sent: Wednesday, February 23, 2005 12:29 PM To: [email protected] Subject: RE: [ActiveDir] Anyone use Server Performance Analyzer? Where could I get my hands on SPA? Thanks, Francis ________________________________ From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Gil Kirkpatrick Sent: 23 f�vrier 2005 15:18 To: [email protected] Subject: RE: [ActiveDir] Anyone use Server Performance Analyzer? I've used ADTEST/ADPERF some and the trace APIs a lot, but I haven't used SPA much at all. It looks like it does a nice job of summarizing statistics and identifying key resource users, but I haven't explored it much. Is there interest in a session at DEC on SPA? -g ________________________________ From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Nathan Muggli Sent: Wednesday, February 23, 2005 12:30 PM To: [email protected] Subject: RE: [ActiveDir] Anyone use Server Performance Analyzer? When I was still in IT I used SPA (and its predecessor ADPERF) all the time to troubleshoot performance issues. Personally it's my favorite AD operations tool (beating out LDP). You can definitely get performance data for specific LDAP queries (filter, scope, client, index used, ops/sec, and CPU cost). I'm not sure you can get the timings (when they occurred) directly from the reports themselves without looking at the ETL files. I also ran SPA on all my DC's everyday at 10:00am for five minutes and saved off the reports. I was able to use the reports to determine trends, etc. It's true that there is an overwhelming amount of data in the reports. The alerts help, but are by no means encompassing of all the perf issues you could hit. So I don't use it only like an expert tool to tell me what the problem is. Performance analysis is still a black art (right up there with debugging). I think this is primarily because AD eployments and "operational tendencies" are so varied (IE, what is normal?). -Nathan ________________________________ From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Darren Mar-Elia Sent: Wednesday, February 23, 2005 11:13 AM To: [email protected] Subject: RE: [ActiveDir] Anyone use Server Performance Analyzer? Gil- Heard of it, looked at it--it basically puts a nice face on the event tracing data provided in Win2K and Server 2003. In the past I've found that data to be voluminous and not altogether useful, esp. around AD, but I think SPA does a decent job of rolling it up into a more meaningful format and much easier to use interface than the horrid command-line tools provided by event tracing. What I don't see in SPA, which you can get from the raw event tracing data, is timings and system performance data for specific LDAP queries. Maybe I'm just missing it. Darren ________________________________ From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Gil Kirkpatrick Sent: Wednesday, February 23, 2005 10:30 AM To: [email protected] Subject: RE: [ActiveDir] Anyone use Server Performance Analyzer? Maybe I should rephrase the question then. Has anyone _heard_ of Server Performance Analyzer? -g ________________________________ From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Gil Kirkpatrick Sent: Tuesday, February 22, 2005 3:20 PM To: [email protected] Subject: [ActiveDir] Anyone use Server Performance Analyzer? Has anyone on the list used SPA to evaluate DC performance? If so, what were your impressions? Was the data useful? Was the product easy to figure out? -gil Gil Kirkpatrick CTO, NetPro "To fly, flip away backhanded. Flat flip flies straight. Tilted flip curves. Experiment!" 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