A network trace from the server getting the error would be helpful.  I
imagine you are not getting past the MIT KDC who should be passing back
a referral to the Windows KDC.  With a trace from the client we can see
what is being requested and what errors are returned.

Thanks,

-Steve 

-----Original Message-----
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Al Lilianstrom
Sent: Friday, August 19, 2005 10:28 AM
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: [ActiveDir] w2k sp4 Kerberos changes?

Al Lilianstrom wrote:
> Thanks for all the advice.
> 
> Checked our srv records and they returned all the DCs. It was 
> resolvable from our MIT/Unix systems.
> 
> The strange part is that between 5:30 and 7:15 this morning access 
> using MIT credentials started working. I'm searching for a reason as 
> to why it happened but no one admits to changing anything.

And strangely enough - 2 hours later they started failing again. This is
very weird. The Windows event logs are of no help.

Any other ideas?

        al

> Steve Linehan wrote:
> 
>> I should clarify that I would not expect the MIT KDCs to be using the

>> SRV records however we have seen problems where load from Windows 
>> clients, because we had limited servers actually registering SRV 
>> records, could cause anomalies.
>> Thanks,
>>
>> -Steve
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Steve 
>> Linehan
>> Sent: Thursday, August 18, 2005 10:48 PM
>> To: [email protected]
>> Subject: RE: [ActiveDir] w2k sp4 Kerberos changes?
>>
>> Actually it is possible that you are running into this issue:
>> http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?scid=KB;EN-US;841395. Check

>> to make sure that your SRV records are being registered in DNS.
>>
>> Thanks,
>>
>> -Steve
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Steve 
>> Linehan
>> Sent: Thursday, August 18, 2005 10:37 PM
>> To: [email protected]
>> Subject: RE: [ActiveDir] w2k sp4 Kerberos changes?
>>
>> I am not aware of any changes in SP4 or the security patch that would

>> cause the failure you mention below.  It is normally a DNS name 
>> resolution issue that causes that error.  Can you verify that the 
>> Windows KDCs can be resolved from the UNIX boxes? Would it be 
>> possible to get a network trace of the failure?
>>
>> Thanks,
>>
>> -Steve
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Al 
>> Lilianstrom
>> Sent: Thursday, August 18, 2005 10:04 PM
>> To: [email protected]
>> Subject: [ActiveDir] w2k sp4 Kerberos changes?
>>
>> Hi,
>>
>> We applied sp4 to our w2k based AD this morning. It was a tad hurried

>> as
>>
>> one of the ms05-039 based worms showed up inside our border router 
>> (laptop from home) so not everything got tested in our test domain. 
>> We noticed that Unix based applications that used Kerberos 
>> authentication (we have a MIT Kerberos infrastructure for the Unix 
>> systems) to read and
>>
>> write to AD started failing.
>>
>> The error isn't very helpful either - "Miscellaneous failure (Cannot 
>> re solve KDC for requested realm)". All w2k DCs are on line and
functional.
>>
>> The trusts to the MIT side are still there.
>>
>> I've been looking through the sp4 docs and I don't see anything 
>> obvious but I may have missed something. We also applied the ms05-042

>> Kerberos spoofing patch but according to the docs it doesn't change 
>> functionality
>>
>> without a registry change.
>>
>> Any ideas?
>>
>>     al
> 
> 

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