I kinda agree with Al... Exchange 12 is still what, 18 months or so out?
How many people are going to adopt it the day it's released? My guess
is that the companies who do are typically the more IT-aggressive, and
64bit will not be such an obstacle to them. SBS aside (I'll get to that
in a minute), a lot of orgs devote their best hardware to Exchange
because it takes up so much resource. So I don't think it's a huge
stretch to imagine a company who wants to upgrade to E12, looks at their
current server, and takes the servers they have scheduled to buy for LCM
of something else and then puts E12 on those, and then uses the
relinquished but still fairly new hardware to swap out the other
LCM-ready hardware. If, that is, they really want to go to E12. My
opinion, of course, but I know that on the desktop side, it's already
getting difficult to buy x32 anymore.
In light of that, as far as SBS goes... doesn't SBS run on desktop
hardware anyway, which will certainly be 64bit by then? (ducking rocks
from Susan) :)
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Al Mulnick
Sent: Tuesday, November 15, 2005 11:00 AM
To: [email protected]
Subject: RE: [ActiveDir] Microsofts Exchange Server 12 64 bit
announcement
I realize we're a bit off-topic, but...
I disagree with this being a mistake. A lot of the problems with
Exchange
(I'll limit the discussion to this area, joe ;) centered around memory
addressing. It wasn't until Windows 2003 SP1 that they reversed the
recommendation to use PAE vs. not. When clustering, memory was always a
limiting factor. 64bit price differential doesn't seem to be terribly
huge,
so I'm not sure what the objection is other than it may slow down
adoption
for those that purchased new-ish 32bit systems and don't want to upgrade
the
hardware yet. To that, I would say that hardware is likely the least of
your
costs in this equation. In the smallest of shops, that may be closer to
equal in terms of costs. As you scale up and add features, hardware is
almost always the cheapest resource in the equation.
Can you expand into why you think 64bit only would be a problem? I'd
like
to at least understand this a bit better. If you need to, feel free to
drop
the note off-line so we don't drift too far OT.
Al
From: "Michael B. Smith" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Reply-To: [email protected]
To: <[email protected]>
Subject: RE: [ActiveDir] Microsofts Exchange Server 12 64 bit
announcement
Date: Tue, 15 Nov 2005 10:56:36 -0500
It was made in the Exchange product team meetings with the Exchange
MVPs.
I can assure you, our reaction was not positive. I think it is a
serious
mistake.
M
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of joe
Sent: Tuesday, November 15, 2005 10:03 AM
To: [email protected]
Subject: RE: [ActiveDir] Microsofts Exchange Server 12 64 bit
announcement
Wow. I don't recall Muglia making that statement at the summit, I think
he would have been beaten up pretty bad....
"Muglia made several product announcements during his keynote address.
As part of its commitment to 64-bit computing, Microsoft has been
delivering products that are optimized for 64-bit, including the newly
released SQL Server(tm) 2005, Visual Studio(r) 2005 and Virtual Server
2005 R2. To help customers take full advantage of the power of 64-bit
computing, products including Microsoft(r) Exchange Server "12,"
Windows
Compute Cluster Server 2003, Windows Server(tm) "Longhorn" Small
Business Server, and Microsoft's infrastructure solution for midsize
businesses, code-named "Centro," will be exclusively 64-bit and
optimized for x64 hardware. In a future update release to Microsoft's
upcoming Windows Server "Longhorn" operating system, code-named Windows
Server "Longhorn" R2, customers will see the complete transition to
64-bit-only hardware, while still benefiting from 32-bit and 64-bit
application compatibility. For the highest-scale application and
database workloads, Windows Server on 64-bit Itanium-based systems will
continue to be the premier choice for customers for years to come."
The LH SBS package is pretty funny too... Imagine going into all of
those small companies and telling them they don't have a choice but to
buy a new server when they want to get the new security enhancements.
I hope MS decides to support K3 and Exchange K3 for some time. Though I
am already seeing a huge reduced emphasis and making K3 work right now.
Any good non-GNU message/collaboration apps out there? Something with
maybe a BSD license?
joe
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Brian Desmond
Sent: Tuesday, November 15, 2005 9:03 AM
To: [email protected]
Subject: RE: [ActiveDir] Microsofts Exchange Server 12 64 bit
announcement
Where'd you find that?
Thanks,
Brian Desmond
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Martin Tuip
Sent: Tuesday, November 15, 2005 3:33 AM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED];
[email protected]
Subject: [ActiveDir] Microsofts Exchange Server 12 64 bit announcement
This just in:
"As some of you are attending IT Forum in Barcelona, I want to make
sure
those of you who are not get the latest updates. At IT Forum, Microsoft
will announce broad support for 64 bit across many of its product
lines.
As part of that announcement we will be announcing that Exchange 12
will
be 64 bit only. This is a significant decision for us and it is one
that we did not make lightly. Many of you and your customers may have
questions about why Exchange 12 will be 64 bit only and the mail below
provides some background on the factors that lead to this decision and
also the benefits from 64 bit that we are seeing in our early dog food
&
TAP deployments."
Martin Tuip
MVP Exchange
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