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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of joe Sent: Thursday, January 19, 2006 1:17 PM To: [email protected] Subject: RE: [ActiveDir] OT: Gauging AD experience When I read Al's post I thought of you Wook, I figured, hey
Wook could use a creative presentation name... ;o)
I would say “When Bad Things Happen To Good Directories” is
more on par with "When Bad Things Happen To Good People", say like when your
nanny gets a flat tire. "When Good Directories Go Bad" is more like when
your good little daughter hits her teen years and starts going out to
parties in fish net stockings and Big Red gum. :o)
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Lee, Wook Sent: Thursday, January 19, 2006 2:00 PM To: [email protected] Subject: RE: [ActiveDir] OT: Gauging AD experience Importance: Low Sorry, I already did
that one. My first DEC presentation was entitled “When Bad Things Happen To Good
Directories”. J Wook From:
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On Behalf Of
[EMAIL PROTECTED] when good directories
go bad…sounds like a catchy title for a presentation, Joe. I think of
directories and identity management infrastructures a little like networks: you
rarely do get to design one from scratch, you’re always tweaking an existing
one. And I agree that tweaking the existing ones are a lot more
interesting than designing from a blank slate. The analogy could be taken
too far, but like networks, directories and authentications systems are always
morphing due to new technologies, new tools, adding or removing
applications. Lots of fun. Al Maurer From:
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On Behalf Of joe I would say focusing on
the design of big directories is pigeon-holing a little too much. There are only
so many big directories that need to be designed. I personally find much more
fun in diagnosing good directories that have gone bad than trying to design
them. I design if I have to but it isn't what I like. Plus often with the
design, it is rarely the case where you actually have all of the info though
someone will tell you you do. You find out you don't later on when someone
starts complaining or something starts breaking. I am not sure I would
go so far to say it is something you let the tools handle though. A lot of the
tools out there still aren't doing the greatest job and there are many companies
that don't want to spend the millions on those tools that they would be charged
for them instead having a few really good people handling it. A tool doesn't see
bad things coming when someone is coming at you with the next great thing they
want to plug into the AD. If the tool does catch it, it is way too late in the
integration cycle. Plus, what if the tool isn't catching the problem? Someone
has to be knowledgeable enough too. If you depend solely on your tools to keep
your AD running well it is possible you are going to get cut pretty good. When I
did Ops, I had several tools that watched what had been determined needed to be
watched and then I would just go off and sample things to decide if there was
something that maybe could be watched that we weren't watching. That could take
the form of just watching a network packets on a DC or a client subnet for an
hour or so or just walking the event logs event by event or walking through
looking at objects in the directory. Whatever. To get into those
positions you want to get in with the companies already mentioned and jump about
(and try not to hurt the customer too much with your learning) or find a big
company and take whatever entry position you can get and prove yourself and grow
into bigger/better positions. Don't expect to, for instance, walk into Walmart
and become their AD guy. Maybe you get in as desktop support and get to know the
right people and make suggestions on how things can be better and work your way
up. You could possibly walk into a company and be there expert right off if your
experience is greater than what they currently have or your resume indicates it
or they are desperate. But it could end up biting you in the end if you don't
turn out to be what they expected. Companies can get mighty pissy if they find
out down the road that they are paying 100k+ to someone who would normally be
lucky making $45k.
joe From:
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On Behalf Of Douglas M.
Long I am trying to figure out how one
gauges their AD experience. For example, I have designed, implemented and
maintained an AD/Exchange environment of 5000 users with 1000 workstations from
the ground up, alone. The environment is only 3 sites, with little complexity. I
now work for a company maintaining a directory of about 150 users and 150
workstations. And the more local AD people I talk to, the more confident I am
that I know quite a bit about AD compared to them (only talking about the people
I have met…not generalizing the entire industry). Although I am not a guru like some
on this list, I would like to get myself to the place where I can say “yeah, I
can design your 50,000 user / 15 site infrastructure.” Or is that even possible?
Is a project of that size several directory experts working together?
I honestly believe that I could
perform such a task, but knowing that I would make some mistakes that a VERY
experienced person would not. So, I guess my question
is: How do I get to where I want to be?
Consult? Try to get a job with the biggest company I can?
There may be no real answer, but I
thought it was worth asking because I have been thinking about it for a couple
of months and don’t know where to start to move forward, and this is the only
place I know that has people that I consider AD gurus (or gods
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- RE: [ActiveDir] OT: Gauging AD experience Hutchins, Mike
- RE: [ActiveDir] OT: Gauging AD experi... Myrick, Todd \(NIH/CC/DNA\) [E]
- Re: [ActiveDir] OT: Gauging AD ex... Kamlesh Parmar
- RE: [ActiveDir] OT: Gauging AD experi... Gil Kirkpatrick
- RE: [ActiveDir] OT: Gauging AD experi... al_maurer
- RE: [ActiveDir] OT: Gauging AD experi... Rich Milburn
- RE: [ActiveDir] OT: Gauging AD ex... Lou Vega
- RE: [ActiveDir] OT: Gauging AD ex... Brian Desmond
- RE: [ActiveDir] OT: Gauging AD ex... joe
- RE: [ActiveDir] OT: Gauging AD experi... Rob MOIR
