It took a while but we sold it to management based on downtime loss of
revenue and man hours if the network did become infected. We also pointed out
time lost having to wade through spam, and how much they could lose (up to
10K if they can't bid on a job) if they did not receive particular email. 

You might get a ballpark figure on what the last outbreak cost in man hours
to clean it up(IT dept) and lost time for employees while it was being
cleaned up. Approach it like, this can save you thousands by preventing virus
out breaks and/or spams.


Mike


-----Original Message-----
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Shirley Graver
Sent: Wednesday, March 15, 2006 9:31 AM
To: [email protected]
Subject: RE: [ActiveDir] OT: Virus' Where are they?


It's has to do with Ownership perception.  If I go to them and say I want to
buy system wide virus protection that will be more efficient but it will
cost $XXX.XX thousand dollars, all they will hear is "THOUSANDS OF DOLLARS".
If I go and say that I spent $50.00 on a onesy twosey basis, they don't
blink.  Its a question of having something rather than 'nothing'.  Previous,
battles have been Marketing hijacking the Email system altering to their own
specs, melting down a proxy server, and infesting the network with hundreds
of virus's and thousands of spam's because they would listen about filtering
practices.  Everybody, thinks they know better.

Shirley Graver
Systems Administrator
Rubber Associates

-----Original Message-----
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Wednesday, March 15, 2006 10:01 AM
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: [ActiveDir] OT: Virus' Where are they?

You use PCCillian in a small LAN? Why not a console/domain based A/V?

Shirley Graver wrote:
>
> I have a small network, (30 systems 3 servers), two independent email 
> channels. One channel is a web based service, the other hosted at our 
> location. Each workstation and server has its own automatically 
> updated (daily) virus software (Trend/PcCillin). All systems get an 
> automated weekly scan. My concern is; neither email channel is logging 
> any virus detections, all the software tests ok. None of the 
> workstations or servers are detecting any virus'. Zero detections over 
> the past 30 days. Our volume is about 2400 messages a month. So 
> where'd the virus' go?
>
> Shirley Graver
>
> Sys Admin
>
> Rubber Associates
>
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