I will take a look - the last time I saw the product it was used for 
"delegating roles using the inbuilt mechanisms of AD" (or similar marketing 
mumbo....) guess this is what happens when you badge all your wares with the 
same product name. I certainly was not aware of this added functionality and 
hence the total disregard for the product.

Mark

 
-----Original Message-----
From: "Al Mulnick" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Date: Thu, 25 May 2006 11:06:36 
To:[email protected]
Subject: Re: [ActiveDir] [OT]Identity Access Mangement

lol. Take another look and see if it does what you want. 
  
You may want to also have a look at http://www.abridean.com/: 
<http://www.abridean.com/>  to see if they can play in your scenario. 
  
That's a fairly common feature set anymore. I don't think you're asking for a 
tremendous amount of things based on that, and since you already have a 
metadirectory, it shouldn't be terribly complex.  I haven't looked in a while, 
but Novell's eDirectory and Sun's identity manager should be something to look 
at as well. 
  


  
On 5/25/06, Mark Parris <[EMAIL PROTECTED]: <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > wrote: 
The requirement is

Workflow provisioning - HR create users- then users are authorised by 
departmental heads for access. Rules for email, account creation etc. 

The various systems all tie in to a metadirectory, which is then authorative 
for the company - the data is mastered in various locations.

There is a self service interface for password resets and resource access. 

BMC have a product that ships out the box to do virtually all of this - I think 
based on the old calendra product suite.

All I was looking for was alternative products that did the same.

Active roles unless they have changed the scope of the product did not do this, 
but then I last saw the product a couple of years ago and when ever I now speak 
to a quest salesman - I give an alias as they are like leaches. 

Mark

-----Original Message-----
From: "Al Mulnick" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]: <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >
Date: Thu, 25 May 2006 09:20:00

To:[email protected]: <mailto:To:[email protected]> 
Subject: Re: [ActiveDir] [OT]Identity Access Mangement

You two need a room ? :)

Mark, can you give more information? I know Quest has something that might be 
of interest, but more detail might be needed to better understand. In the 
meantime, check out their ActiveRoles product. There are several others, but 
that's one that jumps to mind based on the way you describe it. 

MIIS?Hmmm.... did you also get cookies with the kool-aid? Did you feelreally 
sleepy right after but just attribute it tosugar rush? Did the back of your 
necksting or itcha little when you woke up?;-)

Don't get me wrong, MIIS has a place, but it can be a real PITA to get working. 
It's a significant investment in time and resources and it's not well 
understood in the industry. I can't begin to count how many environment I've 
been in and seen the services running and that's about it. Some real basic 
consuming of information and then....nada. Nothing more. 

-ajm

On 5/25/06, Carlos Magalhaes <[EMAIL PROTECTED]: <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> : 
<mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]: <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > wrote: They changed 
it again (Just checked and you 100% right :))

C

Tomasz Onyszko wrote:
> On Thu, 25 May 2006 11:53:43 +0200, Carlos Magalhaes wrote
>
>> Not yet no but we both know thats in the pipe line for SP2. I still 
>> would like to know why MIIS was not an option.C
>>
>
> Workflow is not included in SP2, some solution is planned in Gemini time
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