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"If you spend more on coffee than on IT security, you will be hacked. What's more, you deserve to be hacked. -- former White House cybersecurity czar Richard Clarke "



Matt Hargraves wrote:
You made a comment in the previous thread that I think is rather interesting:

"Get your checkbook out and stop being stingy. :) "

That's a nice thing to say when you're saying it to someone else. But if they tell you that you have to spend hundreds of thousands of dollars or millions when they have metrics that require them to reduce the costs or it's their job.

I'm not trying to minimize the importance of security and least privileged access. Reality is though that we don't control what the rest of the company does, no matter how much 'for their good' it might be. We don't own the data, we don't own the groups. We own the servers, the OS and the security model itself. We can simply provide the tools and try and steer them down the right path, while trying to make sure it's a path that they can walk down. The minute we make a path that's too difficult to walk down, the path will get changed on us for a more managable model, with only a chance that we're involved at all. More likely it will be someone who has no knowledge of the environment and is building a straight forward "MS says...." environment that could potentially be worse than what is already in place, but the people who are now making the decisions aren't very busy listening to us any more.



On 8/1/06, *Matt Hargraves* <[EMAIL PROTECTED] <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]>> wrote:

    Without going with an Access-Based Security (ABS) model, there are
    few ways to make sure that all of the people who need access to an
    object are the only ones who are getting access.  Local server
    security groups (which are difficult to manage), a smallish
    environment, user-based ACLs on rights and objects, or a very
    strange environment, there is no other way to have a 100% accurate
    security environment for resources.

    Access based security is nice because it is very granular, but the
    problem with it is that it has a very high level of maintenance
    and has a lot of room for error and a lot of inherent cost in
    hardware.  The larger the environment, the larger the number of
    points of failure in the security model.  You have 100,000 shares
    in an environment (or more) and the number of people required to
    manage that resource start getting restrictively high.

    Does John the Crankshaft mechanic need access to share
    "\\servername\share80385"?  Probably not 95% of the time, but that
    one or two times a year that he does need access, do you really
    want to make him wait between 2 hours and potentially as high as 2
    days to gain that access just so that you an have 100 people
    controlling 1,000 shares and the ACLs each?

    I can't argue that RBS is the only way to go, but there's nothing
    wrong with going with a hybrid.  RBS base with an ABS overlap ends
    up with a security model where you've got the potential for
    granularity, but a system where a resource has a team that may
    need access to an object, they can be granted that access and if
    there are individuals who need access above and beyond what the
    RBS model would grant, the access can be granted.  Users who
    change roles are automatically removed from the groups they are no
    longer members of (via the HR software, SAP or whatever) and when
    someone moves into a role where they now require access to a
    resource (or set of resources), they are automatically granted
    that access via the same mechanism.

    The alternative is a forest root with disjoined domain that holds
    users, then a resource subdomain and an Exchange subdomain.  2-3
    times as many DCs, added cost that goes with that (power, a/c, NOC
    space), added overhead of maintaining that somewhat complex
    environment... the alternative for larger environments is to buy
    2-3 times as many Exchange servers due to large token sizes.  Not
    to mention the bloating of your DIT database causing reduced
    performance on your DCs.

    An exclusive RBS is a best-case scenario that almost never
    exists.  But it should be the basis of a security model.  The
    alternative is a bloated environment and a bloated management
    structure for that environment.

    An exclusive ABS is another best-case scenario that rarely exists
    outside of smaller environments, where management of resources is
    easier to control because the people who are controlling the
    resource know everyone who needs access to their resource.

    Considering how large the companies you commonly work with are,
    it's suprising to see you recommending a difficult to manage
    model.  With hundreds of thousands of users and possibly a nearly
    identical number of shares (or worse... more) and a large number
    of applications, it's hard to see where an ABS is practical.




    On 7/31/06, *joe* < [EMAIL PROTECTED]
    <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]>> wrote:

        If I am fixing security bugs in my program is it ok to get 80%
        of them and leave the remaining known 20%?
Do you have a lot of faith in a firewall that stops 80% of the
        bad traffic? Or an AV scanner that finds 80%?
If I set up a shared folder to get files shared out to
        multiple folks, is it ok if only 80% of the people I give
        access to really need the access? What if in that shared
        folder are personal files about you or your wife or your kids
        or maybe some compromising photos of you and your mistress[1]? :)
How about the flip side, if I set up a shared folder and only
        80% of the folks who need the access get it, is that good?
Would you have a list of people in the DA group where only 80%
        really needed the access? Or again on the flip side, only 80%
        of the people who required it got it?
Security should be very tightly controlled. Especially for
        access.
Role based security fits squarely in this hole, IMO. It is
        probably more a problem with the implementation and the
        definition of the roles than anything because if you really
        got into defining really granular roles that you should, you
        are almost at the point of doing resource based security
        anyway which again, IMO, is by far the more secure way of
        handling resource security. It is rare that the data access
        requirements of everyone listed as a CrankShaft Engineer, for
        example, are identical in a company. Sure, a good portion of
        the folks will all access the same things but it isn't good to
        say well then, the Role Crankshaft engineers gets all of these
        accesses. Those of you don't really need the access but are in
        the role... don't look at that data... Pshaw. I just said this
        the other day on another list but good fences make good
        neighbors. You don't trust people not to do bad things, you do
        everything you can to prevent them from having the opportunity
        to do the bad thing in the first place. With resource based
        access, you give the people who need the access to the
        resource the access. It is much easier overall to figure out
        who has the access and remove folks who don't need it.
joe [1] Not sure why anyone would need to those photos but if they
        were being shared, certainly the fewer the better and most
        certainly only the folks who are absolutely required.
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        <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
        [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
        <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]>] *On Behalf Of
        *Alex Alborzfard
        *Sent:* Monday, July 31, 2006 4:32 PM
        *To:* [email protected]
        <mailto:[email protected]>
        *Subject:* RE: [ActiveDir] Read-Only Domain Controller and
        Server Core

        Can you elaborate on why you think 80/20 concept in security
        is sloppy joe (no pun intended!)?

        Alex

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        <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [mailto:
        [EMAIL PROTECTED]
        <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]>] *On Behalf Of *joe
        *Sent:* Monday, July 31, 2006 3:14 PM
        *To:* [email protected]
        <mailto:[email protected]>
        *Subject:* RE: [ActiveDir] Read-Only Domain Controller and
        Server Core

        It is a sensitive spot with me, I think 80/20 is a great
        concept, but in security it is a bit sloppy.

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        *From:* [EMAIL PROTECTED]
        <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [mailto:
        [EMAIL PROTECTED]
        <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]>] *On Behalf Of *Al
        Mulnick
        *Sent:* Monday, July 31, 2006 12:29 PM
        *To:* [email protected]
        <mailto:[email protected]>
        *Subject:* Re: [ActiveDir] Read-Only Domain Controller and
        Server Core

        Darned if you weren't the only one to pick up on it. :)



        On 7/30/06, *joe* < [EMAIL PROTECTED]
        <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]>> wrote:

        Argh there it is.... 80/20 in a security discussion. Oi!

        :)

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        *From:* [EMAIL PROTECTED]
        <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [mailto:
        [EMAIL PROTECTED]
        <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]>] *On Behalf Of *Al
        Mulnick

        *Sent:* Saturday, July 29, 2006 10:06 AM


        *To:* [email protected]
        <mailto:[email protected]>
        *Subject: *Re: [ActiveDir] Read-Only Domain Controller and
        Server Core


        Agreed.  Very useful.

        Guido, I'm curious.  You mentioned this:

        "However, many companies have organized their AD with a
        geographic OU structure, which doesn't necessarily match 100%
        to their site structure, but certainly gets pretty close.  And
        since the delegation model is often configured such that local
        admins manage particular aspects of the users and computers in
        their site, it is a common practice to move a user account
        from one OU to another when the user is relocated to a
        different location within the company. As such the OU
        structure is often a good starting base to build policies for
        which credentials to replicate to which RODC…"
        How many of your customers do you see that travel between
        those sites and what would be the implications in your scenario/s?

        This has been a problem that I have seen many times in the
        past.  I'm just curious what you've seen and how it's been
        solved.  In my case, I see everything from no technical
        resource on site (sometimes not even opposable thumbs that we
        can count on) to a local administrator.  Often this depends on
        historical vs. business logic. To date, most designs I have
        been involved with have been the 80/20 of "yep, that'll take
        care of most of your issues, but there will be exceptions and
        here's the plan for that".  Some have also favored business
        unit logical lines.  What I mean by that is a business unit's
        computing resources are deployed as cookie cutter as possible
        with the idea that almost the entire business unit will not
        need what a different business unit needs per se.  Another
        factor is the geographical and co-location of business units
        and some shared resources that the units might have. Typically
        a blend of the two approaches(base for *all* users anywhere,
        and business unit centric) has worked out since the
        co-location of business units makes sense for some organizations.

        But I'm wondering if you've seen differently? If anyone else
        sees another way of solving the issue, I'm interested in
        hearing about it if you can share. I wonder about it because
        trying to get them to fit into an OU by geography can be a
        tough approach with lots of touch times. They will constantly
        move in and out of many different geo's during a given time
        period.  The users move around a lot as well and some have
        high turnover.

        Interesting.

        Al


        On 7/29/06, *Grillenmeier, Guido* < [EMAIL PROTECTED]
        <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]>> wrote:

        But very useful idle chatter nonetheless ;-)

        /Guido

        *From:* [EMAIL PROTECTED]
        <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]>[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
        <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]>] *On Behalf Of
        *Eric Fleischman
        *Sent: *Saturday, July 29, 2006 8:35 AM


        *To:* [email protected]
        <mailto:[email protected]>
        *Subject: *RE: [ActiveDir] Read-Only Domain Controller and
        Server Core

        You basically articulated my point for me. J

        > And once tools exist to automate this knowledge whether by
        populating groups or attributes (such as office or address)

        > or leveraging an OU structure, it really doesn't matter which
        mechanism is used to configure the RODC policies.

        Yup. My contention is that in many cases, I think this will be
        non-trivial for customers. They will have trouble knowing
        where security principals are….especially computers. So we
        need to spend engineering effort here (the Auth2 list should
        help with this though).

        > However, many companies have organized their AD with a
        geographic OU structure, which doesn't necessarily match

        > 100% to their site structure, but certainly gets pretty close

        Yes, and because it is not 100%, they'll either need to move
        users around across their OUs (which has other implications,
        like on delegation) or use groups to work around it. ;)

        My contention is not that OUs are a bad idea for this sort of
        policy. Only that:

        -       For many customers they will not work. Groups will
        work for all customers, even the ones that are already
        organized by OU….simply provision a group with the OU
        membership and you have it.

        -       If I ran the world and got to choose ever engineering
        dollar that we spend, I would want to solve as many problems
        as I can. Far more customers will have trouble figuring out
        what security principals are where than there are customers
        that have a 100% site to OU mapping.

        My $0.02. Since I don't make this call, maybe this is idle
        chatter. ;)

        ~Eric

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        <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]>[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
        <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]>] *On Behalf Of
        *Grillenmeier, Guido
        *Sent:* Friday, July 28, 2006 11:15 PM
        *To:* [email protected]
        <mailto:[email protected]>
        *Subject:* RE: [ActiveDir] Read-Only Domain Controller and
        Server Core

        Ofcourse OUs don't fix the underlying challenge of knowing
        which user belongs to which site. And once tools exist to
        automate this knowledge whether by populating groups or
        attributes (such as office or address) or leveraging an OU
        structure, it really doesn't matter which mechanism is used to
        configure the RODC policies.

        However, many companies have organized their AD with a
        geographic OU structure, which doesn't necessarily match 100%
        to their site structure, but certainly gets pretty close.  And
        since the delegation model is often configured such that local
        admins manage particular aspects of the users and computers in
        their site, it is a common practice to move a user account
        from one OU to another when the user is relocated to a
        different location within the company. As such the OU
        structure is often a good starting base to build policies for
        which credentials to replicate to which RODC…

        I do agree that a lot of the same customers tend to have a
        security group that matches the OU a user is located in,
        simply because an OU is not a security principal and thus you
        can't use it for permissioning (another long missed feature
        from Netware). The problem is that without automation tools
        (and there are still plenty of customers without these), the
        "OU-specific users group" won't necessarily be updated as
        consistently when a User account is moved from one OU to another.

        I am sure that at some point it is a performance thing – not
        sure how this password replication mechanism actually works in
        the background, but I think an RODC needs to make decisions at
        the time of logon of a user: during the logon process the RODC
        must determine if it should cache (and then continue to
        replicate) the user's credentials or not.  And I guess a
        user's group-membership is analyzed faster than figuring out
        the OU that a user belongs to.

        Naturally, query based security groups wouldn't help to
        improve performance, but if you could add some nice processes
        from MIIS to AD that periodically and dynamically populate AD
        groups based on LDAP queries (without the need to support
        another database), this would certainly help.  And the I would
        be all for using groups instead of OUs ;-)

        /Guido

        *From:* [EMAIL PROTECTED]
        <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]>[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
        <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]>] *On Behalf Of
        *Eric Fleischman
        *Sent: *Friday, July 28, 2006 11:02 PM
        *To:* [email protected]
        <mailto:[email protected]>
        *Subject:* RE: [ActiveDir] Read-Only Domain Controller and
        Server Core

        > And currently this is all based on group memberships. I hope
        to see an option coming up to use OU's instead.

        To be clear, OUs are a "Guido likes the way this looks"
        feature, not a "this helps the problem" feature.

        The crux of the problem is figuring out who to cache on a
        given RODC. If you know this…by OU membership or something
        else…constructing a group with said membership is trivial.
        However, if you don't know this, OU based policy is not going
        to help.

        With that, I'll state in public that my vote is not to build
        OU based policy. Why? Because it doesn't fix the problem.
        Instead, I want to spend our engineering dollars building
        tools to help users find who should be cached where…ie,
        tackling the problem itself head on. Whether you then organize
        by OU or just populate groups is the easy part.

        ~Eric

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        *From:* [EMAIL PROTECTED]
        <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]>[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
        <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]>] *On Behalf Of
        *Grillenmeier, Guido
        *Sent:* Friday, July 28, 2006 1:33 PM
        *To:* [email protected]
        <mailto:[email protected]>
        *Subject:* RE: [ActiveDir] Read-Only Domain Controller and
        Server Core

        Could be worth to note that an RODC can also be a DNS server
        for the respective BO. As it is designed for one-way
        replication from a writeable DC, it does not allow direct
        dynamic updates of DNS records that are requested to be
        updated by clients that use the RODC as a DNS server (same is
        true for password changes) => these are basically forwarded to
        the next writeable DC and then replicated back to the RODC.
        Sounds complicated, but makes sense as the RODC should be
        regarded as an "untrusted" DC.

        I am certainly a friend of combining RODC with Server Core for
        BO environments. Combine this with the Admin Separation
        features of RODC and you have a great BO story. Admin
        Separation means that you can make a non-domain admin a member
        of the local admin group on an RODC, without granting him/her
        admin rights in AD. Server Core will obviously not only be
        useful for BOs – they can also host writeable DCs in a
        company's datacenters.

        Biggest challenge I see is configuring the policies for
        storing credentials on RODCs – it's the typical challenge of
        matching mobile objects (users and notebooks) to non-mobile
        devices (an RODC in a site). And currently this is all based
        on group memberships. I hope to see an option coming up to use
        OU's instead.

        I do agree with Al, that the original blog entry that started
        this discussion was a little misleading and didn't do the
features of RODC justice.
        /Guido

        *From:* [EMAIL PROTECTED]
        <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]>[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
        <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]>] *On Behalf Of
        *Eric Fleischman
        *Sent: *Friday, July 28, 2006 9:42 PM
        *To:* [email protected]
        <mailto:[email protected]>
        *Subject:* RE: [ActiveDir] Read-Only Domain Controller and
        Server Core

        Hi Al,

        Take your workstation and take a sniff of a logon. All traffic
        you throw at the DC will work against the RODC. The only WAN
        traffic in that scenario would be the auth itself, a tiny amt
        of work. (assuming GC and all that is satisfied locally)

        So, the statement that authentication is your biggest use is
        true, kinda…you need to more carefully define the operation. I
        suspect you don't mean auth in the Kerberos sense, you mean
        "user logon" really. Unless your branch has a bunch of apps
        that do Kerb work and no clients….then you can correct me and
        we have a totally different conversation on our hands. :)

        Answering some questions of yours, from this and other forks
        of the thread…..

        > What conditions would make it so that the password policy
        would be configured such that the password replication

        > was not allowed?

        There is a policy (not group policy, administrative one
        defined in AD itself) which defines what can be cached there
        and what can not. The statement made (I think first by Dmitri,
        but I then commented on it further) was that by default, this
        policy allows almost nothing to be cached. You could tweak
        this in your enterprise and change what is cached, anything
        from the near-nothing default to almost every secret in the
        domain. You can choose.

        > Would that just be that the RODC is no longer trusted (i.e.
        it was abducted or otherwise compromised?)

        Well, we never know if an RODC was compromised. Rather, RODC
        was built such that you the admin can assume they are
        compromised, and fully understand the scope of compromise in
        your enterprise should it happen one day, and respond to said
        event.

        So, I say you should look at this problem the other way….
        Treat your RODCs /as if/ they were about to get compromised,
        then make real decisions around how much work the recovery
        from said compromise would be vs. actually having an
        environment that is useful, reliable, easy to manage, etc.
        That's what I was talking about re: the knobs….you can turn
        said knobs and make decisions that work for you. And we'll
        have documentation that will help you do this.

        > Or is that something that some admin can configure and hurt
        themselves? Better yet, if that were true, is there any value
        left in the

        > RODC that can't get a password hash?

        I think I answered this but please holler if it is still unclear.

        > Outside of "GP work" what else comes to mind that is
        off-loaded to the local site that you can think of?

        Take a network sniff of your clients talking to your DCs for a
        day. Almost all of that stuff. J You could have apps, you have
        logon itself, etc.

        > Perhaps I'm looking at this sideways?

        Every environment is different. It is entirely possible that a
        secret-less RODC is totally uninteresting in your enterprise.
        That said, I would argue that you probably haven't done enough
        investigation yet to really know if that's true or not…it's
        not personal, why would you? This has likely never been
        relevant. Almost no one does this sort of analysis unless they
        absolutely have to.

        Take some data, please report back to us. I'd love to look at
        said data with you if you're unclear as to what would fall in
        what bucket.

        Hope this helps. Please holler back with questions.

        ~Eric

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        *From:* [EMAIL PROTECTED]
        <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]>[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
        <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]>] *On Behalf Of *Al
        Mulnick
        *Sent:* Friday, July 28, 2006 10:34 AM
        *To:* [email protected]
        <mailto:[email protected]>
        *Subject:* Re: [ActiveDir] Read-Only Domain Controller and
        Server Core

More clarity is always welcome.
        I suspect I'm trying to get my mind around the GPO providing
        that much value that I would want to put a DC in the local
        brach as part of the design vs. trying really hard to use as
        little of the GPO as possible and making sure that the changes
        are as infrequent as possible.

        Authentication and name resolution are my biggest uses for a
        local DC in a branch.  Outside of Exchange of course.
        Everything else I try to keep as compartmentalized as I can
        because if my WAN is a concern such that I can't use
        authentication across the wire (or can't trust it) then I have
        some big concerns about the branch environment and how
        autonomous it is.

        Outside of "GP work" what else comes to mind that is
        off-loaded to the local site that you can think of?

        Perhaps I'm looking at this sideways?

        On 7/28/06, *Eric Fleischman* <[EMAIL PROTECTED]
        <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]>> wrote:

        To add a bit more…

        > The part that makes me wonder about the "story" is if it
        stores no secrets is the server doing anything for me?

        The short answer is yes.

        The bulk of the work that a DC does, even in the auth code
        path, may not involve the secret. So even if the secret
        checking work is "outsourced" to a hub DC, there is a lot more
        work that the local DC can perform for the user. For example,
        if it is an interactive logon, consider all of the GP work
        alone that is done that is now local.

        At the end of the day, you have a knob….you can make real
        security trade-offs based upon what attack surface you can
        accept & mitigate, what administrative story you want, etc.
        You get to choose what secrets end up on the RODC. The product
        is built such that you can turn these knobs as you see fit but
        the default knob setting is "more secure".

        I hope between my response and Dmitri's you are clear that the
        belief that it stores "nothing locally" is incorrect. If more
        clarity is required please just holler.

        ~Eric

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        *From:* [EMAIL PROTECTED]
        <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]>[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
        <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]>] *On Behalf Of
        *Dmitri Gavrilov
        *Sent: *Friday, July 28, 2006 9:48 AM


        *To:* [email protected]
        <mailto:[email protected]>
        *Subject:* RE: [ActiveDir] Read-Only Domain Controller and
        Server Core

        The set of passwords that **can** be sent down to the RODC is
        controlled by password replication policy. The passwords are
        sent down by RODC's request, but the hub also checks whether
        the user (whose pwd is being requested) actually attempted to
        authenticate at RODC (the hub can induce this info from the
        traffic is sees). The pwd hash is sent down only if both are
        satisfied: pwd policy allows it and the user actually
        attempted to logon there.

        Pwd policy is "empty" by default, i.e. nobody is in "allowed
        to reveal" list. It is admin's responsibility to populate this
        list. We might have some UI that helps with this process.

        Once the hash is sent down, there's no way to remove it from
        RODC, basically because we do not trust that RODC will remove
        it, even if instructed to do so. Therefore, the only way to
        "expire" the hash is to change the password. We store the list
        of passwords that were sent down to RODC in an attribute on
        the RODC computer object (the hub DC updates the list when it
        sends a pwd). So, if the RODC is stolen, you can enumerate
        whose passwords were down there, and make these users reset
        their passwords. There's a constructed attribute that returns
        only the users whose * *current** passwords appear to be on
        the RODC.

        WRT what data is sent down – currently, we send everything,
        sans a handful of "secret" attributes, which are controlled by
        pwd replication policy. There's a DCR to be able to configure
        the list of attributes that can go down to RODC (aka RODC
        PAS), but it is not yet clear if we will get it done or not.
         Note that the client data access story on RODC becomes quite
        convoluted because you don't know if you are seeing the whole
        object or only a subset of it. We do not normally issue
        referrals due to "partial reads".

        *From:* [EMAIL PROTECTED]
        <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]>[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
        <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]>] *On Behalf Of
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        *Sent:* Friday, July 28, 2006 8:22 AM
        *To:* [email protected]
        <mailto:[email protected]>
        *Subject:* RE: [ActiveDir] Read-Only Domain Controller and
        Server Core

        RODC stores password hashes only for a pre defined list of
        users and they are not stored on a permanent basis. [I'm
        unclear how the latter is achieved.]

        The goal is such that if the RODC were removed from the office
        then no password secrets could be extracted from that machine.

        neil

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        <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [mailto:
        [EMAIL PROTECTED]
        <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]>] *On Behalf Of *Al
        Mulnick
        *Sent:* 28 July 2006 16:08
        *To:* [email protected]
        <mailto:[email protected]>
        *Subject: *Re: [ActiveDir] Read-Only Domain Controller and
        Server Core

        The part that makes me wonder about the "story" is if it
        stores no secrets is the server doing anything for me? Is
        there a point to deploying the server in a remote office other
        than just being able to point to it in the closet and say,
"see, I do to earn my paycheck!"
        I'm sure there's more, but I don't yet know which parts are
        public information and which are NDA.

        Can you tell I'm concerned about the story being created? I
        like stories; don't get me wrong.  But I'm concerned that the
        story being spun up might be missing the mark and lead a few
        people astray.

        Safe to note that there are some features that differentiate
        the RODC from a NT4 BDC and that make it appealing in some cases.

        But if it actually does not store anything locally, ever, then
        I'm not sure it's worth the time to deploy one now is it?

        Al



        On 7/27/06, *Susan Bradley, CPA aka Ebitz - SBS Rocks [MVP]* <
        [EMAIL PROTECTED] <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]>> wrote:

        FYI:

        http://blogs.msdn.com/jolson/archive/2006/07/27/679801.aspx
        <http://blogs.msdn.com/jolson/archive/2006/07/27/679801.aspx>


                 Read-Only Domain Controller and Server Core




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