But... but... then I wouldn't have replication issues to play with! Oh, wait, that's a good thing, nevermind... :)
Thanks for pulling out yet another good, relevant link Susan :) -----Original Message----- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Susan Bradley, CPA aka Ebitz - SBS Rocks [MVP] Sent: Wednesday, November 15, 2006 8:56 AM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [ActiveDir] OT: Sonicwall vs ISA (was M$) http://msinfluentials.com/blogs/jesper/archive/2006/09/28/New-Article_3A 00_-SBS-At-Home.aspx Install it at home -- monitor and control your kid's Internet access :-) It is a compromise... but the advantages still outweigh the risks IMHO Rich Milburn wrote: > Hehe MSSBS = MSKSE > > Microsoft Windows, Kitchen Sink Edition > > One day I'm actually going to load it up and see why SBS rocks, cause > without doing that, I tend to think what your tagline really means is > SBS [takes] rocks [to run all that stuff on one box and tell someone to > connect to it] :op > > I hear it's a good product though... certainly less hardware - intensive > than a server farm... > > ----------------------------------------------------------------------- > Rich Milburn > MCSE, Microsoft MVP - Directory Services > Sr Network Analyst, Field Platform Development > Applebee's International, Inc. > 4551 W. 107th St > Overland Park, KS 66207 > 913-967-2819 > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > "I love the smell of red herrings in the morning" - anonymous > > -----Original Message----- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Susan Bradley, > CPA aka Ebitz - SBS Rocks [MVP] > Sent: Wednesday, November 15, 2006 12:07 AM > To: [email protected] > Subject: Re: [ActiveDir] OT: Sonicwall vs ISA (was M$) > > (here we go again) > > ;-) > > Remember though in SBSland ISA is "on" the DC and we can't move it off > legally without a separate license. > > Therefore making the SonicWall versus ISA with a slight nuance that it > doesn't normally have. > > ISA = it's windows .. it can't be secure... oh look it's Patch tuesday > ... you are patching it again! (yadda yadda) > > Sonicwall = it's hardware, therefore it must be better.. I mean just > because the password is still the default and you havent' changed it > from the default ;-) > > ...and there goes the arguments.... > > This also goes hand in hand with one nic versus two arguments....so they > > are somewhat Intertwined. > > > Haritwal, Dhiraj wrote: > >> I think there should be no comparison between SonicWall & ISA. Bcoz >> Sonicwall is having only a few options but ISA is having n number of >> Options. Sonicwall is a Common Firewall but ISA is more then that. >> >> >> >> **Thanks & Regards,** >> >> **Dhiraj Haritwal** >> >> **System Administrator****** >> >> **Sony India Pvt. Ltd.** >> >> **A-31, Mohan Co-operative Industrial Estate,** >> >> **Mathura Road****, New Delhi**** - 110 044** >> >> **Tel. No. : 011-66006276** >> >> **Fax No. : 011-26959141, 26959143 ****** >> >> **Cell No. : 9873585408** >> >> >> > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > >> *From:* [EMAIL PROTECTED] >> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] *On Behalf Of *Akomolafe, >> > Deji > >> *Sent:* Wednesday, November 15, 2006 9:36 AM >> *To:* [email protected] >> *Subject:* RE: [ActiveDir] OT: Sonicwall vs ISA (was M$) >> >> >> >> Which part of it do you not understand? >> >> >> >> >> Sincerely, >> _____ >> (, / | /) /) /) >> /---| (/_ ______ ___// _ // _ >> ) / |_/(__(_) // (_(_)(/_(_(_/(__(/_ >> (_/ /) >> (/ >> Microsoft MVP - Directory Services >> www.akomolafe.com <x-excid://32770000/uri:http:/www.akomolafe.com> - >> we know IT >> **-5.75, -3.23** >> Do you now realize that Today is the Tomorrow you were worried about >> Yesterday? -anon >> >> >> >> >> > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > >> *From:* Albert Duro >> *Sent:* Tue 11/14/2006 7:09 PM >> *To:* [email protected] >> *Subject:* Re: [ActiveDir] OT: Sonicwall vs ISA (was M$) >> >> Sonicwall vs. ISA? >> >> That's a new one on me. I'm not a SBSer, but I do have a Sonicwall. >> Would you care to expand? >> >> thank you >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Susan Bradley, CPA aka Ebitz - SBS Rocks [MVP]" >> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >> To: <[email protected]> >> Sent: Monday, November 13, 2006 5:17 PM >> Subject: Re: [ActiveDir] OT: M$ >> >> >> >>> (I would just like to go on record as saying that I thought Brett's >>> > post > >>> was funny) >>> >>> In the MVP survey this year the final question was "give three words >>> > that > >>> best describe Microsoft?" Boy howdy was that the hardest part of >>> > the > >>> survey to fill out. Three words to describe the "company"? Youch. >>> > Think > >>> about that one for a moment will ya? Ask me to say three words >>> > about the > >>> people of Microsoft and I'd have that survey done in a nanosecond. >>> > Ask me > >>> three words about the "Company" ...this financial entity that files >>> > 10Ks > >>> and like what do you want me to say? >>> Microsoft (or M$ or MF$T whatever you'd like to call it) is a >>> > company > >>> registered with the SEC to do business. It is a software company. >>> > It is > >>> an entity. It has a Tax ID number. It has to make sucky decisions >>> > due to > >>> Judges and Lawyers and Patents and EU attorneys and stupid EOLA >>> > lawsuits > >>> and ......... >>> >>> The Employees of Microsoft (no abbreviations)... as was best put by >>> > a > >>> Security MVP.... he went looking for the employees of Microsoft that >>> > eat > >>> babies....you know...the ones he's heard about in those Department >>> > of > >>> Justice/SlashDot postings and all that.... well he can't find them. >>> > Every > >>> one of them he (and I) have ever met are sincere, hardworking, >>> > trustworthy > >>> people. In fact that's one of the wonderful things about the >>> > blogs... > >>> they do a total 'end run' around WagEd/PR stuff and show the people >>> > for > >>> the people. Even when Brett didn't blog.... we knew about him via >>> > his > >>> blog. Just honest people talking to people. And that's when >>> > Microsoft > >>> truly rocks. >>> >>> I also know that in the newsgroups when I have someone who >>> > challenges my > >>> views I find that ends up happening is not that I'll change them, >>> > but I'll > >>> solidify my views. To those that use M$ knowing full well that it >>> > annoys > >>> you (the generic you, not "you", you), if their goal is to >>> > annoy....they > >>> won't change. >>> >>> The following items are bound to start arguments/flames etc. in my >>> > home > >>> base community (most of these are specific to SBS, so my apologies) >>> >>> 1. One nic versus two >>> 2. Antivirus choice (with the exception of Norton Yellow Box >>> > consumer > >>> which is nearly universally hated by all in IT) >>> 3. Sonicwall versus ISA server >>> 4. .local/.lan versus .com >>> 5. the lack of inclusion of DFSv2 in SBS 2003 R2 >>> >>> So I guess if you are doing a list of Arguments/Flamewars in this >>> community I guess I will say >>> 1. The use or non use of M$ :-) >>> >>> Sometimes you just have to let it roll off your back. :-) >>> >>> How about a lighter less argumentative topic change: So how about >>> > those > >>> USA elections, 'eh? What's your thoughts about Stem Cell Research? >>> >>> Laura A. Robinson wrote: >>> >>>> Disclaimer #1: "You" in the below refers to a generic "you", not a >>>> specific person. >>>> Disclaimer #2: My opinions are in no way intended to represent >>>> > those of > >>>> my employer. They're my own, and they were my opinions long before >>>> > I > >>>> became a Microsoft employee. >>>> That said... >>>> You know what I find amazing here? It has been clearly expressed >>>> > that > >>>> there *are* people who find the term irritating (and I assure you, >>>> > I'm > >>>> not the only one; I'm just the only one who states it publicly), >>>> > yet > >>>> you're still arguing that because *you* think it's funny, it's >>>> > therefore > >>>> okay to use it. Please explain this logic to me. If you meet >>>> > somebody who > >>>> asks you not to call him "Tiny" because he hates the nickname, do >>>> > you > >>>> make a point to call him "Tiny"? If you do, then you have some >>>> > serious > >>>> personal issues. If you don't do that, then why do you think it's >>>> > okay to > >>>> continue to justify using a name on a Microsoft-centric list that >>>> > is > >>>> populated by Microsoft-centric people that you've been told *is* >>>> offensive to some of those people? >>>> This isn't about political correctness and it isn't about >>>> > different > >>>> senses of humor. It's about somebody having stated flat-out that >>>> > the "M$" > >>>> term is offensive to her (and, again, to a lot more people than you >>>> > > >>>> realize) and you continuing to assert that it's just fine for you >>>> > to use > >>>> it. Some people might consider that incredibly childish and >>>> > ignorant. Did > >>>> it never occur to you simply to not use or defend the use of the >>>> > term, > >>>> regardless of whether you think I'm oversensitive about it? It >>>> > certainly > >>>> occurred to the person who originally posted it to stop using the >>>> > term, > >>>> and he didn't have to have an argument that boils down to "I think >>>> > it's > >>>> funny, so you need to just get over it" before stating that he >>>> > wouldn't > >>>> continue to use the term. I found that very adult of him. I don't, >>>> however, find it particularly adult to continue to defend the use >>>> > of a > >>>> tasteless, inaccurate, slighting moniker because *you* think it's >>>> "funny". >>>> Most Microsoft employees are not nearly as well-paid as the public >>>> > seems > >>>> to think, and yet, the VAST majority of them contribute their own >>>> > time > >>>> and money to charitable organizations. I can give you statistics if >>>> > you > >>>> like; Microsoft is actually first in terms of per-capita employee >>>> philanthropy. The insistence upon referring to the company as "M$" >>>> displays a tremendous amount of ignorance and rudeness to those >>>> employees, IMO. >>>> Laura >>>> >>>> >>>> > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > >>>> *From:* [EMAIL PROTECTED] >>>> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] *On Behalf Of >>>> > *Bahta, > >>>> Nathaniel V CTR USAF NASIC/SCNA >>>> *Sent:* Monday, November 13, 2006 8:44 AM >>>> *To:* [email protected] >>>> *Subject:* RE: [ActiveDir] OT: M$ >>>> >>>> Exactly, is exactly right. You cant impose your own humor >>>> preferences on someone because you consider it unfunny. You >>>> > just > >>>> dont laugh. You can't stop bad jokes, because someone, >>>> > somewhere > >>>> is laughing at them. Just not you. >>>> >>>> >>>> > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > >>>> *From:* [EMAIL PROTECTED] >>>> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] *On Behalf Of >>>> > *Laura > >>>> A. Robinson >>>> *Sent:* Monday, November 13, 2006 8:20 AM >>>> *To:* [email protected] >>>> *Subject:* RE: [ActiveDir] OT: M$ >>>> >>>> Exactly. M$ just isn't funny. Borg, kool-aid, those are funny. >>>> > M$ > >>>> isn't. Go figure. >>>> >>>> >>>> > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > >>>> *From:* [EMAIL PROTECTED] >>>> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] *On Behalf Of >>>> *Bahta, Nathaniel V CTR USAF NASIC/SCNA >>>> *Sent:* Monday, November 13, 2006 7:46 AM >>>> *To:* [email protected] >>>> *Subject:* RE: [ActiveDir] OT: M$ >>>> >>>> Useless Air Farce would not be found funny because its just >>>> that, not funny. Funnier is US Chair Force. Thats funny, >>>> > and > >>>> people here laugh at it all the time. >>>> >>>> >>>> > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > >>>> *From:* [EMAIL PROTECTED] >>>> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] *On Behalf Of >>>> *Robert Rutherford >>>> *Sent:* Monday, November 13, 2006 7:32 AM >>>> *To:* [email protected] >>>> *Subject:* RE: [ActiveDir] OT: M$ >>>> >>>> ;oP >>>> >>>> >>>> Rob >>>> >>>> Robert Rutherford >>>> QuoStar Solutions Limited >>>> >>>> T: +44 (0) 8456 440 331 F: +44 (0) 8456 440 332 M: >>>> > +44 > >>>> (0) 7974 249 494 E: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >>>> W: www.quostar.com >>>> >>>> >>>> > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > >>>> *From:* [EMAIL PROTECTED] >>>> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] *On Behalf Of >>>> *Laura A. Robinson >>>> *Sent:* 13 November 2006 12:16 >>>> *To:* [email protected] >>>> *Subject:* RE: [ActiveDir] OT: M$ >>>> >>>> >>>> There's a reason for the "OT" portion of the subject line, >>>> > you > >>>> know. ;-) >>>> >>>> >>>> Laura >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > >>>> *From:* [EMAIL PROTECTED] >>>> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] *On Behalf >>>> > Of > >>>> *Robert Rutherford >>>> *Sent:* Monday, November 13, 2006 6:42 AM >>>> *To:* [email protected] >>>> *Subject:* RE: [ActiveDir] OT: M$ >>>> >>>> Can we kill this thread now, please? >>>> >>>> >>>> Rob >>>> >>>> Robert Rutherford >>>> QuoStar Solutions Limited >>>> >>>> T: +44 (0) 8456 440 331 F: +44 (0) 8456 440 332 >>>> > M: > >>>> +44 (0) 7974 249 494 E: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >>>> W: www.quostar.com >>>> >>>> >>>> > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > >>>> *From:* [EMAIL PROTECTED] >>>> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] *On Behalf >>>> > Of > >>>> *Laura A. Robinson >>>> *Sent:* 13 November 2006 11:31 >>>> *To:* [email protected] >>>> *Subject:* RE: [ActiveDir] OT: M$ >>>> >>>> >>>> Clearly there are differing opinions about whether it's >>>> merely "slang" or whether it's an inappropriate slur. >>>> Simpler just not to use it, don't you think? I mean, I >>>> don't refer to the USAF as the "useless air farce" and >>>> expect its members to think that's funny. >>>> >>>> >>>> I don't take offense when people refer to Microsoft as >>>> "borg" or talk about "drinking the Kool-Aid"; in fact, >>>> > I > >>>> have been known to reference both myself. However, I >>>> remember the origin of "M$" (unlike, I suspect, some of >>>> those who use the phrase and think it's funny), and I >>>> think it's ignorant and inappropriate for people to use >>>> > it > >>>> on a Microsoft-centric list. >>>> >>>> >>>> Laura >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > >>>> *From:* [EMAIL PROTECTED] >>>> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] *On >>>> > Behalf > >>>> Of *Bahta, Nathaniel V CTR USAF NASIC/SCNA >>>> *Sent:* Monday, November 13, 2006 5:48 AM >>>> *To:* [email protected] >>>> *Subject:* RE: [ActiveDir] OT: M$ >>>> >>>> You have to be able to laugh at yourself. M$ is a >>>> tounge in cheek expression and certainly a >>>> > corporation > >>>> like Microsoft can laugh at itself when M$ is used >>>> > as > >>>> slang in its reference. Thats why we nickname >>>> > really > >>>> big guys tiny. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > >>>> *From:* [EMAIL PROTECTED] >>>> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] *On >>>> > Behalf > >>>> Of *Albert Duro >>>> *Sent:* Sunday, November 12, 2006 10:27 PM >>>> *To:* [email protected] >>>> *Subject:* Re: [ActiveDir] OT: M$ >>>> >>>> being conciliatory is laudable, but I think you're >>>> missing the point. It's not wether anybody is >>>> offended or not -- the question is why does someone >>>> come into a peaceful gathering casting offense. >>>> Especially when it's not necessary. If someone >>>> deliberately spits on the dinner table, do you say >>>> 'oh, well, he didn't hit any plate, let's just >>>> > forget > >>>> it' ? or even worse, 'he hit someone else's plate >>>> > -- > >>>> no worries.' >>>> >>>> >>>> ----- Original Message ----- >>>> >>>> *From:* [EMAIL PROTECTED] >>>> <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >>>> >>>> *To:* [email protected] >>>> <mailto:[email protected]> >>>> >>>> *Sent:* Friday, November 10, 2006 9:08 AM >>>> >>>> *Subject:* RE: [ActiveDir] OT: M$ >>>> >>>> >>>> I highly doubt that any MS employee takes >>>> > offence > >>>> at what is surely as tongue in cheek >>>> > expression. > >>>> Let's not get _too_ PC please :/ >>>> >>>> >>>> neil >>>> >>>> -----Original Message----- >>>> *From:* [EMAIL PROTECTED] >>>> <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >>>> >>>> > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > >>>> Behalf Of *Laura A. Robinson >>>> *Sent:* Thursday, November 09, 2006 6:14 PM >>>> *To:* [email protected] >>>> <mailto:[email protected]> >>>> *Subject:* [ActiveDir] OT: M$ >>>> >>>> Just out of curiosity, what makes people >>>> > think > >>>> it's appropriate to refer to Microsoft as >>>> > "M$" > >>>> on an MS-focused mailing list whose >>>> participants include Microsoft employees, >>>> Microsoft contractors, Microsoft MVPs and >>>> various other people who may have a >>>> > relatively > >>>> positive view of Microsoft? >>>> >>>> >>>> Laura >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > >>>> *From:* >>>> > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > >>>> *On Behalf Of *Jitendra Kalyankar >>>> *Sent:* Thursday, November 09, 2006 >>>> > 10:16 AM > >>>> *To:* [email protected] >>>> *Subject:* Re: [ActiveDir] Beginner's >>>> > Book > >>>> on Scripting - WSH or VBScript? >>>> >>>> This is the link to M$ to start >>>> with...very good info.... >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> > http://msdn.microsoft.com/library/default.asp?url=/library/en-us/dnancho > r/html/scriptinga.asp > >>>> >>>> -- >>>> Sincerely, >>>> J >>>> >>>> >>>> On 11/9/06, *Stu Packett* >>>> <[EMAIL PROTECTED] >>>> <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]>> wrote: >>>> >>>> Hello everyone. 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