I wear boots with lifts. Shirts with padding. And carry hershey's kisses in
my cheeks like a squirrel.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of
Akomolafe, Deji
Sent: Thursday, November 16, 2006 4:37 PM
To: [email protected]
Subject: RE: [ActiveDir] OT: M$
>>>you should have used a smiley
There was a time, way back when.... so way back we may need a time machine
...... that malicious intentions are not the default attributions to every
public discourse. In those days, there was no such thing as "smiley", yet
humans go along fine. OK, maybe not "fine", but we did survive. And yes, not
all interactions were in-person in those eons gone by. Tattooing those Avian
Carriers [1] with colorful smileys would have been painful and awkward, no?
Please don't equate the non-existence of smiley with malice.
In my case, lack of the approximate voice inflection or facial expression
was not responsible for the faux pas. The attempt at levity wouldn't have
gone over correctly, regardless of how many grinning mascots I could have
inscribed therein. The audience was wrong. Simple. "Know your audience" is a
time-tested maxim, and I just failed to do so in this case. Boob doesn't
even accurately describe it. So, let's say Boobier.
>>>Little guys like me won't have a chance but it would be fun just the
same.
IF you think spelling your name with a little "j" makes you "little", then
you are even boobier than me[2]
[1]For the overly-curious -
http://www.faqs.org/rfcs/rfc2549.html and
http://www.faqs.org/rfcs/rfc1149.html
[2]OK, so now I owe you a smiley, eh? I'm keeping it warm for you, and I'll
pull it out and show it to you when I see you. I promise not to type with it
until then.
Sincerely,
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________________________________
From: joe
Sent: Thu 11/16/2006 8:12 AM
To: [email protected]
Subject: RE: [ActiveDir] OT: M$
Adrian, of the 41,000+ messages I have archived for this list, this is the
only thread I can find that you have responded to....
It begs one question? If it is so beneath you and you are so lazy, why
bother?
If this is your way of introducing yourself, some will probably consider it
strike 1. While Laura can be feisty, many people do think she is important.
I happen to be one of those people. Certainly she has been extremely helpful
both here and in the newsgroups and is positively great in personal email
and in person though in those forums as well she may get fiesty. Feisty
doesn't bother me, what is important is technical quality and how willing
people are to share that quality and knowledge. I personally can be a
complete ass and kick sand on people, I try to temper it by also being
helpful occasionally.
So while I don't consider this strike 1 for you, I do hope that you
contribute in a positive meaningful manner at some point as Laura has done
on many occasions and hopefully will continue to do so.
Also, while this thread and others like it are off base, it is part and
parcel of this list and I don't expect them to go away any time soon. I
don't even wish that they do... If they do, the list might get a little
boring as there are strong "personalities" in this space and the collisions
are inevitable. From the standpoint of someone who has met personally a
great many of the "personalities" on the list and looking forward to meeting
even more, I actually find it oddly enjoyable at times. OT is in the
subject, that is clearly something that folks can filter out if they aren't
thrilled with this type of chatter.
My only other comment on this at this point is Deji you boob, even if it
were Laura Hunter, you should have used a smiley. Knowing all of you
personally... I know that either one of them could take you in a fist
fight... ;o)
If Gil has his ears on, DEC needs a boxing ring and those sumo outfits so
people can slam each other in person all in fun. We could have side wagers
and everything. Little guys like me won't have a chance but it would be fun
just the same.
joe
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of
Adrian Teodorescu
Sent: Thursday, November 16, 2006 10:35 AM
To: [email protected]
Subject: RE: [ActiveDir] OT: M$
I'm too lazy to write and send you the bill (result : no explanation) and
also I'm too bored to enter in this "game" where you need to be, let's say
"important"
Over and out (mom)
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of
Laura A. Robinson
Sent: Thursday, November 16, 2006 3:48 PM
To: [email protected]
Subject: RE: [ActiveDir] OT: M$
I'm afraid I don't grok what your point is.
Laura (Robinson, not Hunter. Also not Chappell.)
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of
Adrian Teodorescu
Sent: Wednesday, November 15, 2006 4:03 AM
To: [email protected]
Subject: RE: [ActiveDir] OT: M$
That's love J
Grow up people
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of
Akomolafe, Deji
Sent: Wednesday, November 15, 2006 8:45 AM
To: [email protected]
Subject: RE: [ActiveDir] OT: M$
I've been wondering all day, even after my private mea culpa to you. I've
been wondering why that last line would elicit such reaction from you. So,
when another trusted fellow brought up the issue in a private conversation I
started wondering again.
Something just didn't compute. I expected "Shut up, Laura" to an innocuous
statement that will be met with a smiley or VBEG from "Laura". I didn't
expect "Laura" to take umbrage at that phrase. As a matter of fact, I
expected hugs and kisses and flowers and whatnot. So, I kept
wondering.......
Well, I'm wondering no more. I got you mixed up, Laura. Beaucoup apologies.
I thought you were Laura Hunter (http://www.shutuplaura.com/ - WARNING,
adult language). I am very sorry.
Sincerely,
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________________________________
From: Laura A. Robinson
Sent: Tue 11/14/2006 8:04 PM
To: [email protected]
Subject: RE: [ActiveDir] OT: M$
That last line really was unnecessary, Deji.
________________________________
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of
Akomolafe, Deji
Sent: Monday, November 13, 2006 8:39 PM
To: [email protected]
Subject: RE: [ActiveDir] OT: M$
You know what I find amazing here?
That you felt compelled to lend more visibility to this topic, when it,
truly, does not deserve an iota of your time. I see people use "M$" in
conversations, I note their names and learn to avoid them. It's the same
thing I do with people who use "1337" and similar "elite-speak" in
conversation. I put them all in the same column of idiotic wannabes and move
on. The only reason I feel impelled to write what I'm writing is because you
are still lending your professional credence to a nonentity who should have
been duly ignored from the start. I'm surprised that you are expending so
much energy in that exercise, seeing as I know that you have been in
numerous environments where people do things like these in attempts to
garner attention. Giving them the undeserved attention is, IMNSHO, injurious
to your reputation.
So, Laura ..... shut up already.
Sincerely,
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-5.75, -3.23
Do you now realize that Today is the Tomorrow you were worried about
Yesterday? -anon
________________________________
From: Laura A. Robinson
Sent: Mon 11/13/2006 4:31 PM
To: [email protected]
Subject: RE: [ActiveDir] OT: M$
Disclaimer #1: "You" in the below refers to a generic "you", not a specific
person.
Disclaimer #2: My opinions are in no way intended to represent those of my
employer. They're my own, and they were my opinions long before I became a
Microsoft employee.
That said...
You know what I find amazing here? It has been clearly expressed that there
*are* people who find the term irritating (and I assure you, I'm not the
only one; I'm just the only one who states it publicly), yet you're still
arguing that because *you* think it's funny, it's therefore okay to use it.
Please explain this logic to me. If you meet somebody who asks you not to
call him "Tiny" because he hates the nickname, do you make a point to call
him "Tiny"? If you do, then you have some serious personal issues. If you
don't do that, then why do you think it's okay to continue to justify using
a name on a Microsoft-centric list that is populated by Microsoft-centric
people that you've been told *is* offensive to some of those people?
This isn't about political correctness and it isn't about different senses
of humor. It's about somebody having stated flat-out that the "M$" term is
offensive to her (and, again, to a lot more people than you realize) and you
continuing to assert that it's just fine for you to use it. Some people
might consider that incredibly childish and ignorant. Did it never occur to
you simply to not use or defend the use of the term, regardless of whether
you think I'm oversensitive about it? It certainly occurred to the person
who originally posted it to stop using the term, and he didn't have to have
an argument that boils down to "I think it's funny, so you need to just get
over it" before stating that he wouldn't continue to use the term. I found
that very adult of him. I don't, however, find it particularly adult to
continue to defend the use of a tasteless, inaccurate, slighting moniker
because *you* think it's "funny".
Most Microsoft employees are not nearly as well-paid as the public seems to
think, and yet, the VAST majority of them contribute their own time and
money to charitable organizations. I can give you statistics if you like;
Microsoft is actually first in terms of per-capita employee philanthropy.
The insistence upon referring to the company as "M$" displays a tremendous
amount of ignorance and rudeness to those employees, IMO.
Laura
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of
Bahta, Nathaniel V CTR USAF NASIC/SCNA
Sent: Monday, November 13, 2006 8:44 AM
To: [email protected]
Subject: RE: [ActiveDir] OT: M$
Exactly, is exactly right. You cant impose your own humor preferences on
someone because you consider it unfunny. You just dont laugh. You can't
stop bad jokes, because someone, somewhere is laughing at them. Just not
you.
________________________________
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of
Laura A. Robinson
Sent: Monday, November 13, 2006 8:20 AM
To: [email protected]
Subject: RE: [ActiveDir] OT: M$
Exactly. M$ just isn't funny. Borg, kool-aid, those are funny. M$ isn't. Go
figure.
________________________________
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of
Bahta, Nathaniel V CTR USAF NASIC/SCNA
Sent: Monday, November 13, 2006 7:46 AM
To: [email protected]
Subject: RE: [ActiveDir] OT: M$
Useless Air Farce would not be found funny because its just that, not funny.
Funnier is US Chair Force. Thats funny, and people here laugh at it all
the time.
________________________________
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of
Robert Rutherford
Sent: Monday, November 13, 2006 7:32 AM
To: [email protected]
Subject: RE: [ActiveDir] OT: M$
;oP
Rob
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of
Laura A. Robinson
Sent: 13 November 2006 12:16
To: [email protected]
Subject: RE: [ActiveDir] OT: M$
There's a reason for the "OT" portion of the subject line, you know. ;-)
Laura
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of
Robert Rutherford
Sent: Monday, November 13, 2006 6:42 AM
To: [email protected]
Subject: RE: [ActiveDir] OT: M$
Can we kill this thread now, please?
Rob
Robert Rutherford
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of
Laura A. Robinson
Sent: 13 November 2006 11:31
To: [email protected]
Subject: RE: [ActiveDir] OT: M$
Clearly there are differing opinions about whether it's merely "slang" or
whether it's an inappropriate slur. Simpler just not to use it, don't you
think? I mean, I don't refer to the USAF as the "useless air farce" and
expect its members to think that's funny.
I don't take offense when people refer to Microsoft as "borg" or talk about
"drinking the Kool-Aid"; in fact, I have been known to reference both
myself. However, I remember the origin of "M$" (unlike, I suspect, some of
those who use the phrase and think it's funny), and I think it's ignorant
and inappropriate for people to use it on a Microsoft-centric list.
Laura
________________________________
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of
Bahta, Nathaniel V CTR USAF NASIC/SCNA
Sent: Monday, November 13, 2006 5:48 AM
To: [email protected]
Subject: RE: [ActiveDir] OT: M$
You have to be able to laugh at yourself. M$ is a tounge in cheek
expression and certainly a corporation like Microsoft can laugh at itself
when M$ is used as slang in its reference. Thats why we nickname really big
guys tiny.
________________________________
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of
Albert Duro
Sent: Sunday, November 12, 2006 10:27 PM
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: [ActiveDir] OT: M$
being conciliatory is laudable, but I think you're missing the point. It's
not wether anybody is offended or not -- the question is why does someone
come into a peaceful gathering casting offense. Especially when it's not
necessary. If someone deliberately spits on the dinner table, do you say
'oh, well, he didn't hit any plate, let's just forget it' ? or even worse,
'he hit someone else's plate -- no worries.'
----- Original Message -----
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [email protected]
Sent: Friday, November 10, 2006 9:08 AM
Subject: RE: [ActiveDir] OT: M$
I highly doubt that any MS employee takes offence at what is surely as
tongue in cheek expression.
Let's not get _too_ PC please :/
neil
-----Original Message-----
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of
Laura A. Robinson
Sent: Thursday, November 09, 2006 6:14 PM
To: [email protected]
Subject: [ActiveDir] OT: M$
Just out of curiosity, what makes people think it's appropriate to refer to
Microsoft as "M$" on an MS-focused mailing list whose participants include
Microsoft employees, Microsoft contractors, Microsoft MVPs and various other
people who may have a relatively positive view of Microsoft?
Laura
________________________________
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of
Jitendra Kalyankar
Sent: Thursday, November 09, 2006 10:16 AM
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: [ActiveDir] Beginner's Book on Scripting - WSH or VBScript?
This is the link to M$ to start with...very good info....
http://msdn.microsoft.com/library/default.asp?url=/library/en-us/dnanchor/html/scriptinga.asp
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Sincerely,
J
On 11/9/06, Stu Packett <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
Hello everyone. After reading through a lot of the posts on this mailing
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no experience in scripting, but would like to know what books do you
recommend as a beginner's book on scripting? Also, I don't really know the
difference between WSH and VBScript, so if anyone could explain that, I'd
appreciate that. After browsing through Amazon, I saw several books on WSH
and VBScript, but don't know where I should focus on. I'm also open to
computer based training (CBT) videos of any exist. Thanks in advance.
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