Again, you are projecting. I don't call MS customers "clueless". Why? Because I
don't believe they are.
Now, will I sometimes call some MS people arrogant? It depends. Will I take
offence if someone thinks I lack exposure to "sophisticated IT environments"?
No, Never. Why? Probably because I move around a lot in the real world, and
"sophisticated IT environments" are very hard to come by. I've read and heard
that there are plenty of them in silos. I just haven't seen enough of them to
convince me that they come close to the number unevolved IT environments I deal
with on regular basis.
Come to think of it, I have a bunch of MS technical and marketing materials
that speak to how much technical, financial and marketing effort MS is going to
expend this year and next getting a whopping 60% of its customer-base to the
"Rationalized" stage of optimization. Mind you, they are not shooting for
"Dynamic". Certainly not "Sophisticated". So, yeah, there are more of us than
there are of you out there, so you better start factoring us in when you make
decisions that affect how we do things.
Sincerely,
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From: Laura A. Robinson
Sent: Fri 12/15/2006 1:12 PM
To: [email protected]
Subject: RE: [ActiveDir] Vista GPO
Since many of us are in the habit of expressing various opinions, perhaps we
should refrain from characterizing those with which we disagree as "the height
of professional arrogance" and "misinformed". See, if we start doing that, I
might express the opinion that referring to Microsoft's customers as "clueless"
and insisting that Microsoft should accommodate "cluelessness" at the expense
of new product development, security and code review (which is exactly what the
expense is to devote resources to doing nothing but backporting new features)
is the height of professional inexperience, myopia and lack of exposure to
sophisticated IT environments.
But I won't.
:-)
Laura
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Akomolafe, Deji
Sent: Friday, December 15, 2006 2:46 PM
To: [email protected]
Subject: RE: [ActiveDir] Vista GPO
Tim,
it is the height of professional arrogance to think that anyone who
don't/can't/won't do things the way you think they should be done (best
practices) are "lazy and uninformed".
I know you said that it is just your opinion, and, if I were like you, I would
hazard that it is a misinformed opinion. But I won't.
Sincerely,
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From: Tim Vander Kooi
Sent: Fri 12/15/2006 10:53 AM
To: [email protected]
Subject: RE: [ActiveDir] Vista GPO
They won't do it if Microsoft makes it so they CAN'T do it. I feel Microsoft
should be applauded for forcing admins to do their jobs correctly for a change,
instead of giving in to the lazy or uninformed amongst us.
Just my opinion,
Tim
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Akomolafe, Deji
Sent: Friday, December 15, 2006 11:39 AM
To: [email protected]
Subject: RE: [ActiveDir] Vista GPO
>>> People don't seem to have a problem with that concept when it comes to game
>>> consoles :)
Bad analogy. Go stand in the corner, no wii for you :)
When people start running their businesses on game consoles, then you can come
back and compare. For now, it's just plain incomprehensible that you can't
manage ADMX from anything but Vista. Yeah, ideally we would want to encourage
clients to NOT manage things directly from servers, and to ensure that IF they
are going to introduce Vista, the IT folks' machines should be doing the
dog-fooding, but realistically, the "ideal" is always the exception in this
field. Microsoft should know that. People will insist on managing GPO directly
from the DCs, best practices be damned.
Sincerely,
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-anon
From: Darren Mar-Elia
Sent: Fri 12/15/2006 9:18 AM
To: [email protected]
Subject: RE: [ActiveDir] Vista GPO
I hear you Rich. I had a long discussion with someone on the GP newsgroups
who thought that the fact that XP and 2003 couldn't read Vista GP settings
was an abomination and a scandal of the highest order and that MS should be
beaten for their insolence (I'm paraphrasing :-)). But, yes, we should all
be used to the fact that sometimes, you have to adopt the new stuff to get
the new toys. People don't seem to have a problem with that concept when it
comes to game consoles :)
Darren
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Rich Milburn
Sent: Friday, December 15, 2006 9:04 AM
To: [email protected]
Subject: RE: [ActiveDir] Vista GPO
Sorry, I understand it's different, what I meant was merely that we had
some growing pains like this when XP first came out. Our practice then
became to use only XP desktops for GP management. I think there's a
tendency to think this is such a terrible thing, this
backwards-incompatibility, and we might forget that Vista is not new
with this, we had similar issues before. And who remembers the
teeth-pulling to get people to move to Active Directory??
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Darren Mar-Elia
Sent: Friday, December 15, 2006 10:05 AM
To: [email protected]
Subject: RE: [ActiveDir] Vista GPO
This is actually a little different because if you view a GPO that was
created with Vista, using XP or 2003, none of the ADMX settings can
actually
be read at all, because they are a completely new format that GPEditor
or
GPMC on those older platforms don't understand. In fact, those XP or
2003
will happily copy up the ADMs into the Vista GPO like they used to do,
and
you're back to each GPO storing ADMs in SYSVOL. What I've been
recommending
to folks is that once you introduce Vista desktops into your
environment,
use Vista for all your ongoing GP management. The Vista ADMXs are a
superset
of the latest and greatest ADMs (i.e. they include 2003, XP and Vista
settings) so you can happily manage Vista and non-Vista targeted GP
settings
from a Vista machine.
Darren
Darren Mar-Elia
CTO & Founder
www.sdmsoftware.com
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-----Original Message-----
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Rich Milburn
Sent: Friday, December 15, 2006 6:49 AM
To: [email protected]
Subject: RE: [ActiveDir] Vista GPO
You may recall, there was a similar case when XP came out too - if
memory serves, you had to manage XP GPO settings from an XP box - if you
opened them on Win2K, there were problems (I can't recall now exactly
what those problems were... it would corrupt the policy? Lose the
settings?) anyway so there are tons more settings (+ side) and you have
to use Vista for now (- side, sorta). I wouldn't be too surprised if
they fix that with the next server and XP SP... but I haven't actually
heard that.
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Applebee's International, Inc.
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Overland Park, KS 66207
913-967-2819
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-----Original Message-----
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Darren Mar-Elia
Sent: Thursday, December 14, 2006 4:13 PM
To: [email protected]
Subject: RE: [ActiveDir] Vista GPO
Vista introduces a new Admin Template format called ADMX. These are
found on Vista in C:\windows\policydefinitions and, unfortuately cannot
be consumed by earlier versions of Windows. That is you must manage
Vista GP from Vista.
Darren
-----Original Message-----
From: "Za Vue" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: [email protected]
Sent: 12/14/2006 1:18 PM
Subject: Re: [ActiveDir] Vista GPO
Sorry. Exactly what Ben wrote.
Thanks..
-Z.V.
WATSON, BEN wrote:
> Maybe he may be referring to the location of any possible new ADM
files
> included with Vista.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Darren
Mar-Elia
> Sent: Thursday, December 14, 2006 10:34 AM
> To: [email protected]
> Subject: RE: [ActiveDir] Vista GPO
>
> What do you mean Za? I'm not familiar with any GPO plug-in for Win2K3,
> unless you mean the LDIF files that are in sources\adprep on the Vista
> CD?
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Za Vue
> Sent: Thursday, December 14, 2006 9:57 AM
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> Subject: [ActiveDir] Vista GPO
>
> Anyone know what and where the GPO plugin for Win2003 on the Vista DVD
> is called and located?
>
> -Z.V.
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