Once again since it seems not to have gone through...
-----Original Message----- From: Chapuis André, INI-ON-EPC-IPE Sent: Thursday, August 04, 2016 3:15 PM To: '[email protected]' <[email protected]>; Randy Bush <[email protected]> Cc: [email protected] Subject: RE: [address-policy-wg] Update on ALLOCATED PI/UNSPECIFIED Hi Everybody, I agree with Larisa. As a LIR 'responsible for ALLOCATED UNSPECIFIED blocks, the amount of work to change all that would be huge compared to the gain. Back in 2002, I did a review of these blocks and managed to get a good number of assignments back, that we re-used as ASSIGNED PA. It also allowed us to update the real PI records. But this was quite a time-intensive exercise I'd prefer not to do again. Furthermore, knowing that our allocations are full to 90%, there's not much room for 'misuse' the PI policy (which actually does not apply in this case!) by assigning PI ourselves -> so benefit is quite inexistent Regards, André -----Original Message----- From: address-policy-wg [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Larisa Yurkina Sent: Thursday, August 04, 2016 1:40 PM To: Randy Bush <[email protected]> Cc: [email protected] Subject: Re: [address-policy-wg] Update on ALLOCATED PI/UNSPECIFIED Randy Bush пишет 04.08.2016 14:12: >> My LIR have got ALLOCATED PI and ALLOCATED UNSPECIFIED blocks about >> 20 years ago, according to those days policy. Some part of address >> space was not aggregated and was used as "ASSIGNED PI within >> ALLOCATED PI", all of them have agreement with the LIR, which also >> was within the policy, at least not against. Why should we change >> anything here? Just because some LIRs lost their control over 50% of >> the address space allocated to them? Perhaps there are some other ways to >> restore it? >> >>>> After the LIRs have finished their research, the RIPE NCC will: >>>> >>>> - Convert assignments to ASSIGNED PA if it can be documented that >>>> the administrative responsibility lies with the LIR >>>> - Follow up directly with resource holders of ASSIGNED PI to apply >>>> the RIPE policy, “Contractual Requirements for Provider >>>> Independent Resource Holders in the RIPE NCC Service Region”. The >>>> PI assignments will become part of the address space managed by >>>> the RIPE NCC just like all other PI space. Once the resource >>>> holders have fulfilled the contractual requirements, they will >>>> have the same rights and obligations as any other End User of PI >>>> space. >>>> - Split the allocations to separate the PI assignments and convert >>>> the blocks that remain with an LIR to ALLOCATED PA. > i am perennially confused by the different colors of integers. as you > know, i prefer magenta and comic sans. > > ingrid/ncc can you explain in terms an antique router geek can > understand what the actual pragmatic effect would be on these PI/PA > holders? does it alter holders' rights? costs? processes? ... > > i suspect that you, larisa, already understand that. in this case, > why, in pragmatic terms a router geek can understand (yes, i know > that's a high bar, sorry), do you not like it? > > randy Hi Randy, 1. Manual update inetnums from ASSIGNED PI into ASSIGNED PA in two /16 blocks creates a lot of additional job for my LIR. 2. Lack of reasonable explanations for customers why this should be done. That is why I'd prefer not to change anything here. -- With respect, *Larisa Yurkina* RIPN Internet Number Resources Group / Chief Manager [email protected] <mailto:[email protected]> / www.ripn.net <http://www.ripn.net> Т.: +7 495 737-0604
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