@Adam: Thanks, i'm glad to hear that!. The current functionality will be
kept, for sure :)
@Martin: Sure, i'll keep insync with them, Jeanne's work i'll be able to
reuse i think, as i said the parsing approach will be changed, but
for her
proposition we need custom parsing anyway. I'll get in touch with her
and
try to figure this out.
Regards,
Catalin
On 6/15/06, Martin Marinschek < [EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> Catalin,
>
> I'm +1 on any changes you want to do on the existing framework, but
keep
> insync with Trinidad's skinning developers (like Jeanne) so that
all of
> this
> is used for Trinidad as well - keep in mind that our ultimate goal
here
> is
> merging together the different approaches, laying the base for making
> the
> component sets compliant to each other. New features are great, but
only
> if
> they end up in both sides of the great divide.
>
> @Tobago developers: if anyone is interested - Catalin has looked
through
> the
> skinning approaches, and Trinidad's deemed him best for
implementing the
>
> skinning portion of Tomahawk. If anyone wants to help out with getting
> this
> compliant with the Tobago skinning, this would be great!
>
> regards,
>
> Martin
>
> On 6/15/06, Adam Winer < [EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >
> > Catalin,
> >
> > Sounds awesome! Looking forward to it. If there's a good
> > way to use less CSS 3 syntax but keep the functionality, I'm
> > all for it.
> >
> > -- Adam
> >
> >
> > On 6/14/06, Catalin Kormos <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > > Hi Adam,
> > >
> > > Sorry if this was confusing, i certainly wouldn't want to write a
> pretty
> > new
> > > framework for skinning, and this to be used only by Tomahawk. As
> Martin
> > > mentioned we did compare existing approaches besides Trinidad's,
> like
> > the
> > > one from Tobago and I also took a look at Exadel Visual Component
> > Platform's
> > > skinning. As far as i know these are all the current approaches
for
> JSF
> > and
> > > Trinidad's is the one choosed to be based on, all the features it
> offers
> > are
> > > realy nice and there is room for more, like what Jeanne would like
> to
> > > implement, right?
> > >
> > > The goal is to work on making the Trinidad's skinning framework
> become
> > the
> > > skinning framework for MyFaces. There are things to be changed
> though.
> > Like
> > > going all the way with CSS, and not use XSS for the base skins,
> allow
> > skins
> > > to extend each other and not just a base skin, and allow @import
> rules
> > to be
> > > used.
> > >
> > > The most important changes i was planning to do are related to
> parsing
> > and
> > > merging the CSS files. Right now, Trinidad uses CSS3 syntax for
> > component
> > > selectors, and has it's own way of parsing that syntax. What i
want
> to
> > do is
> > > use a standard CSS2 compliant parser (an implementation of SAC,
> > > http://www.w3.org/Style/CSS/SAC/ ), with minimal extensions, for
> example
> > to
> > > recognize @agent rules, and have an internal model based on DOM
> Level 2
> > > Style specifications (
> > > http://www.w3.org/TR/2000/REC-DOM-Level-2-Style-20001113/ ). This
> could
> > > determine also changing the naming of the component selectors
to use
> > CSS2
> > > valid syntax from the beginning but would eliminate the
> transformation
> > of
> > > CSS3 syntax into CSS2 syntax that currently occurs.
> > >
> > > I would certainly appreciate your feedback on these plans, and
help
> to
> > find
> > > to the best approach for bringing Trinidad skinning framework into
> the
> > > overall MyFaces world.
> > >
> > > Regards,
> > > Catalin
> > >
> > >
> > > On 6/14/06, Martin Marinschek < [EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Hi Adam,
> > > >
> > > > inspired means it will be based on the ADF Faces skinning
> framework.
> > We
> > > > evaluated Tobago's and Trinidad's thing, and we decided for the
> > Trinidad
> > > > way. Whatever extensions we write, will go to both Trinidad and
> > Tomahawk
> > > > (the definitive goal would be a common module we could both base
> > upon).
> > > >
> > > > regards,
> > > >
> > > > Martin
> > > >
> > > > On 6/14/06, Adam Winer < [EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > Catalin,
> > > > >
> > > > > One quick comment: I don't see a reason to write a skinning
> > framework
> > > > > "inspired by" the Trinidad skinning. Trinidad is part of
> > MyFaces; why
> > > > > not work on taking the Trinidad skinning framework and
bringing
> it
> > into
> > > > > the overall MyFaces world?
> > > > >
> > > > > -- Adam
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > On 6/14/06, Catalin Kormos < [EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > > > > > Hi there,
> > > > > >
> > > > > > I just want to say that it sounds to me like a very good
> ideea,
> > having
> > > > > the
> > > > > > same skin take care of browsers incompatibilities for
example,
>
> > rather
> > > > > than
> > > > > > having different skins take care of that, with need of user
> > > > > intervention;
> > > > > > i'm working on the future skinning framework for MyFaces (at
> least
> > i
> > > > > hope it
> > > > > > will become that), which is very much inspired by the
current
> > state of
> > > > > the
> > > > > > ADF Faces skinning. It's going to be done during the
Google's
> SoC
> > > > > program
> > > > > > btw. Would be ok if i take some inspiration from this
too? :)
> > > > > >
> > > > > > A concern of mine would be about the :lang pseudo selector.
> Maybe
> > this
> > > > > one i
> > > > > > didn't get quite right, but wouldn't this interfere with the
> > standard
> > > > > usage
> > > > > > of the :lang pseudo selector, for styling components that
> renderer
> > > > their
> > > > > own
> > > > > > different "lang" attribute value, maybe on the same page?
this
> > might
> > > > not
> > > > > be
> > > > > > the case for ADF Faces components though.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Regards,
> > > > > > Catalin
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > >
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