I never commented on this email I just realized. See below.
Catalin Kormos wrote:
Hi Adam,
Sorry if this was confusing, i certainly wouldn't want to write a
pretty new
framework for skinning, and this to be used only by Tomahawk. As Martin
mentioned we did compare existing approaches besides Trinidad's, like the
one from Tobago and I also took a look at Exadel Visual Component
Platform's
skinning. As far as i know these are all the current approaches for
JSF and
Trinidad's is the one choosed to be based on, all the features it
offers are
realy nice and there is room for more, like what Jeanne would like to
implement, right?
The goal is to work on making the Trinidad's skinning framework become
the
skinning framework for MyFaces. There are things to be changed though.
Like
going all the way with CSS, and not use XSS for the base skins, allow
skins
to extend each other and not just a base skin, and allow @import rules
to be
used.
Our goal is to get rid of XSS for base skins as well, if possible. We
first need to add
all the features that are in XSS to CSS before we can do that.
In Trinidad, skins can extend other skins. In JDeveloper 10.1.3, you
couldn't do this, but in
Trinidad, you can. You the <extends> element in the adf-faces-skins.xml
file.
Yes, I'd like @import rules to be used, too. That's something that we'd
need before we get rid of
XSS, since XSS allows this. It would be nice to know if we can pass
through the @import into
the generated css file or if it is another skinning file and we need to
process it.
The most important changes i was planning to do are related to parsing
and
merging the CSS files. Right now, Trinidad uses CSS3 syntax for component
selectors, and has it's own way of parsing that syntax. What i want to
do is
use a standard CSS2 compliant parser (an implementation of SAC,
http://www.w3.org/Style/CSS/SAC/), with minimal extensions, for
example to
recognize @agent rules, and have an internal model based on DOM Level 2
Style specifications (
http://www.w3.org/TR/2000/REC-DOM-Level-2-Style-20001113/). This could
determine also changing the naming of the component selectors to use CSS2
valid syntax from the beginning but would eliminate the transformation of
CSS3 syntax into CSS2 syntax that currently occurs.
I would certainly appreciate your feedback on these plans, and help to
find
to the best approach for bringing Trinidad skinning framework into the
overall MyFaces world.
Regards,
Catalin
On 6/14/06, Martin Marinschek <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
Hi Adam,
inspired means it will be based on the ADF Faces skinning framework. We
evaluated Tobago's and Trinidad's thing, and we decided for the Trinidad
way. Whatever extensions we write, will go to both Trinidad and Tomahawk
(the definitive goal would be a common module we could both base upon).
regards,
Martin
On 6/14/06, Adam Winer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> Catalin,
>
> One quick comment: I don't see a reason to write a skinning framework
> "inspired by" the Trinidad skinning. Trinidad is part of MyFaces;
why
> not work on taking the Trinidad skinning framework and bringing it
into
> the overall MyFaces world?
>
> -- Adam
>
>
>
> On 6/14/06, Catalin Kormos <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > Hi there,
> >
> > I just want to say that it sounds to me like a very good ideea,
having
> the
> > same skin take care of browsers incompatibilities for example,
rather
> than
> > having different skins take care of that, with need of user
> intervention;
> > i'm working on the future skinning framework for MyFaces (at least i
> hope it
> > will become that), which is very much inspired by the current
state of
> the
> > ADF Faces skinning. It's going to be done during the Google's SoC
> program
> > btw. Would be ok if i take some inspiration from this too? :)
> >
> > A concern of mine would be about the :lang pseudo selector. Maybe
this
> one i
> > didn't get quite right, but wouldn't this interfere with the
standard
> usage
> > of the :lang pseudo selector, for styling components that renderer
their
> own
> > different "lang" attribute value, maybe on the same page? this might
not
> be
> > the case for ADF Faces components though.
> >
> > Regards,
> > Catalin
> >
> >
>
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