There you go,RS...butting in.
On Jul 22, 6:38 am, roomsearching <[email protected]> wrote: > Mark is still stuck in his Christian morality and idea of kindness and love. > > But Mark, do understand that love is not out of choice. > You can project your love for something or someone. > But in reality , there is unconditional love for the whole universe. > > On Thu, Jul 22, 2010 at 12:24 PM, Mahakali <[email protected]>wrote: > > > > > With all due respect, it all sounds very self development (i.e. an > > improvement of your own self) rather than an opening up to the real > > Self i.e. to the reality of what is. > > > Kali > > > On 22 Lug, 00:16, Mark Ty-Wharton <[email protected]> wrote: > > > Your point being :-) > > > > Sent from an iPhone > > > > On 21 Jul 2010, at 13:01, Mahakali <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > This sounds very, very Landmark... > > > > > Kali > > > > > On 21 Lug, 12:43, Mark Ty-Wharton <[email protected]> wrote: > > > >> The greatest effort is giving up that I am imperfect the way I am and > > the way I am not. > > > > >> When I stop making my life wrong and what is is and what isn't isn't > > then all effort ceases in that moment. > > > > >> Who am I? > > > > >> I am "anything is possible" > > > > >> Today I choose the possibility of being truly magical and that is who > > I am. > > > > >> Roomsearching, when you give up being right, you will have access to > > more answers. > > > > >> Be In Love > > > > >> Sent from an iPhone > > > > >> On 21 Jul 2010, at 11:29, roomsearching <[email protected]> > > wrote: > > > > >>> The greatest effort would be stop all the efforts. And understanding > > this is not easy. > > > >>> That is ego-death. > > > > >>> On Wed, Jul 21, 2010 at 6:09 AM, <[email protected]> wrote: > > > >>> One needs at least a badge for all this effort. > > > >>> : )) > > > >>> Sent via BlackBerry from Vodafone > > > > >>> From: Mark Ty-Wharton <[email protected]> > > > >>> Sender: [email protected] > > > >>> Date: Wed, 21 Jul 2010 06:08:01 +0100 > > > >>> To: roomsearching<[email protected]> > > > >>> Cc: Mahakali<[email protected]>; Advaita-Zen< > > [email protected]> > > > >>> Subject: Re: Question for the enlightened guys/girls of this group > > > > >>> I don't think it is a case of stopping seeking - when you give up > > that you are not enlightened - then you are enlightened! > > > > >>> Sent from an iPhone > > > > >>> On 18 Jul 2010, at 22:18, roomsearching <[email protected]> > > wrote: > > > > >>>> There is an expectation when you are trying to reach the Absolute. > > > >>>> There are precise goals. All the signs and symptoms are clearly > > stated and one who reaches it will know it immediately. > > > >>>> An ego with the noblest desire can reach it. > > > >>>> An intelligent person(one of sattvic tendencies) will understand > > that there is nobody who dies. > > > >>>> Even after realization there is no death of anyone. > > > >>>> Stopping the seeking can sometimes mean just stop doing your > > practices. > > > >>>> That is like stop doing your practices and go to the pub and enjoy > > your life of pleasures. > > > >>>> That will again create suffering and misery. > > > >>>> People need to be fucking honest with themselves and not some > > intellectual pussies who are seeking easy way out like "stop seeking" or > > "there is nothing called enlightenment". Trying to twist the words to their > > convenience is a sign of their ignorance. I dont know. It could also be the > > way I look at it. > > > >>>> But it can be done. It is easy. Just control your senses. Control > > your mind for a period of time. That's all it takes. Whatever way you want > > to choose its upto you. > > > > >>>> On Sun, Jul 18, 2010 at 7:52 PM, Mahakali < > > [email protected]> wrote: > > > >>>> By default, the act of seeking carries the expectation of getting a > > > >>>> result. Seeking is an activity of the ego (the subject) which would > > > >>>> expect to find or experience something outside itself (the object). > > > > >>>> This can only be understood only when the seeking stops. To stop the > > > >>>> seeking one must to the realization that there is nothing to reach > > or > > > >>>> get: it is the person/seeker that one needs to be aware of. > > > > >>>> Kali > > > > >>>> On 18 Lug, 17:36, Rodger <[email protected]> wrote: > > > >>>>> Does the claim of a wrong assumption in the first > > place(before)claim a > > > >>>>> right assumption in the second place(after)? > > > >>>>> And,does the claim of a right assumption claim a certain result > > that > > > >>>>> can be gotten...if one seeks? > > > > >>>>> On Jul 18, 9:59 am, Mahakali <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > >>>>>> To claim 'is there any psychological suffering 'after' > > enlightenment' > > > >>>>>> denotes the assumption of a 'before' and an 'after'. I suppose > > that > > > >>>>>> the 'seeking' should be the act that brings the 'ante' and the > > 'post' > > > >>>>>> together. However, seeking implies 'getting a result'. I.e. the > > seeker > > > >>>>>> seeks with the intention to get a certain result (enlightenment). > > This > > > >>>>>> is a wrong assumption in the first place. > > > > >>>>>> The psychological suffering may or may not exhist in > > enlightenment. > > > >>>>>> The only difference is about being able to recognize the > > difference > > > >>>>>> between being involved in one's attachments and not being involved > > in > > > >>>>>> them. In the absence of a 'me' who is involved in this or that, > > where > > > >>>>>> is the neurosis created by the organism that compells the > > 'character' > > > >>>>>> to feel anxious, depressed, neurotic? > > > > >>>>>> However, pain and suffering can still arise. A few Masters > > suffered > > > >>>>>> from cancer ((i.e. Ramana (arm) and Nisargadatta (throat)) and > > they > > > >>>>>> had been in pain too. But they knew that they were not that. > > > > >>>>>> In the last few years, I saw Ramesh Balsekar; he was very old and > > > >>>>>> tired, but, for his age, he was still very clear and concise on > > his > > > >>>>>> teaching and exposition to the devotees. This is certainly what > > > >>>>>> Advaita produced for him. It was certainly impressive to see a man > > of > > > >>>>>> his age being able to handle questions and answers in such clear > > > >>>>>> manner. > > > > >>>>>> Also, Advaita may not perform surgery or be a substitute to > > > >>>>>> medications, but it certainly helps healing in post-surgery or > > > >>>>>> illnesses cases. > > > > >>>>>> Kali > > > > >>>>>> On 18 Lug, 13:45, [email protected] wrote: > > > > >>>>>>> Is there any psychological suffering 'after' enlightenment? > > > >>>>>>> You're never anxious, depressed, 'down'? > > > >>>>>>> Sent via BlackBerry from Vodafone- Nascondi testo citato > > > > >>>>> - Mostra testo citato -- Nascondi testo citato > > > > >> - Mostra testo citato -- Nascondi testo citato > > > > - Mostra testo citato -
