Ramana,as well as Nisargadatta,use words...words are pointers...concepts...pointing out that what cannot be conceived. That what cannot be conceived does the conceiving. To abandon all words is to abandon all concepts,all pointing.To abandon all concepts,all pointing is to not clutch any particular one.Not clutching any particular one,one may use any particular one.
Ultimately,abandoning words,pointers,concepts,is to abandon Ramana and Nisargadatta. One may say,'there is a source'.But,one cannot say that without being the source of that saying.One may think there is a source...a source which they are not...but,one cannot think that without being the source of that thought.One may imagine one is not the source of that thought but,.... That what imagines one is or one isn't...that can't be imagined.Is...just is.That what sees this can't be seen.That what denies this can't be denied. So,yes...there is 'source'...aka pure consciousness,awareness,bozo,etc. Yet,bozo cannot be defined.Bozo does the defining. And there is no shortcut to bozo,bozo. :) All paths come full circle...i.e.,begin and end with and as bozo. Throw a rock (or spanner) through the air... On Jul 28, 7:55 am, roomsearching <[email protected]> wrote: > There is a source. It is not imagined. It is pure consciousness. > It is not a physical location. > But it manifests in the physical world as a point in the chest. > It is centre of the psychic heart. > It is non-dual pure consciousness resonating within the body. > The body has nothing to do with it. > But the body can be used as a reference to locate it. > Since the body itself is manifested in the mind, which is made of awareness, > > The body is not real. So the body still is like a physical projection in > awareness. > The heart cavity has the Self. > Refer to Ramana. > Ramana mentions this time and again. > Nisargadatta is also pointing to this pinhole through which all worlds are > arising. > He refers to it as an ant giving birth to a lion. Through this pinhole, all > universes are > manifested when pure consciousness mixes with the five elements. > Beyond the pinhole, lies the unmanifested pure consciousness. > Stay as the unmanifested. > > > > On Wed, Jul 28, 2010 at 1:39 PM, Rodger <[email protected]> wrote: > > > I would say the source is in the heart,not the chest...and not the > > heart that is in the chest. > > There is no shortcut to where you already are. > > > On Jul 28, 6:37 am, roomsearching <[email protected]> wrote: > > > The source is in your chest. > > > I guarantee you it exists. > > > Once you find it, you will be enlightened automatically. > > > It is a shortcut. > > > > On Wed, Jul 28, 2010 at 12:35 PM, roomsearching <[email protected] > > >wrote: > > > > > It has a source. Refer to Ramana who calls it the Self. > > > > Nisargadatta calls it the Brahma aperture. > > > > > On Wed, Jul 28, 2010 at 11:56 AM, <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > >> Awareness has no source. > > > > >> Sent via BlackBerry from Vodafone > > > >> ------------------------------ > > > >> *From: * roomsearching <[email protected]> > > > >> *Date: *Wed, 28 Jul 2010 11:55:30 +0100 > > > >> *To: *<[email protected]> > > > >> *Cc: *Advaita<[email protected]> > > > >> *Subject: *Re: Words > > > > >> You are only pure water. > > > >> You have to find out where is your source. > > > >> Where is the tap which is releasing the water ? > > > >> Don't get involved with bubbles, alcohol and whatever it mixes with. > > > > >> On Wed, Jul 28, 2010 at 8:58 AM, <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > >>> The water remain water no matter if bubbles arise. Bubbles are 'one > > with' > > > >>> water. They appear, disappear. > > > >>> It's the same here. You are 'one with' words. > > > >>> Water remains water if it is muddy (suffering) or crystal > > clear(absence > > > >>> of suffering). > > > >>> Water remains water if there is alcohol dissolved in it (pleasure) or > > not > > > >>> (absence of pleasure) > > > >>> Water remains water no matter what. > > > > >>> Just my daily metaphor... > > > > >>> Sent via BlackBerry from Vodafone
