A lot of words,yes.Perhaps even too many. But,do not blame the words for your failure to see the point. Or,do. :)
On Jul 28, 8:55 am, roomsearching <[email protected]> wrote: > That is too many words which fail to get to the point. > > > > On Wed, Jul 28, 2010 at 2:44 PM, Rodger <[email protected]> wrote: > > Ramana,as well as Nisargadatta,use words...words are > > pointers...concepts...pointing out that what cannot be conceived. > > That what cannot be conceived does the conceiving. > > To abandon all words is to abandon all concepts,all pointing.To > > abandon all concepts,all pointing is to not clutch any particular > > one.Not clutching any particular one,one may use any particular one. > > > Ultimately,abandoning words,pointers,concepts,is to abandon Ramana and > > Nisargadatta. > > > One may say,'there is a source'.But,one cannot say that without being > > the source of that saying.One may think there is a source...a source > > which they are not...but,one cannot think that without being the > > source of that thought.One may imagine one is not the source of that > > thought but,.... > > > That what imagines one is or one isn't...that can't be > > imagined.Is...just is.That what sees this can't be seen.That what > > denies this can't be denied. > > > So,yes...there is 'source'...aka pure > > consciousness,awareness,bozo,etc. > > Yet,bozo cannot be defined.Bozo does the defining. > > And there is no shortcut to bozo,bozo. :) > > > All paths come full circle...i.e.,begin and end with and as bozo. > > > Throw a rock (or spanner) through the air... > > > On Jul 28, 7:55 am, roomsearching <[email protected]> wrote: > > > There is a source. It is not imagined. It is pure consciousness. > > > It is not a physical location. > > > But it manifests in the physical world as a point in the chest. > > > It is centre of the psychic heart. > > > It is non-dual pure consciousness resonating within the body. > > > The body has nothing to do with it. > > > But the body can be used as a reference to locate it. > > > Since the body itself is manifested in the mind, which is made of > > awareness, > > > > The body is not real. So the body still is like a physical projection in > > > awareness. > > > The heart cavity has the Self. > > > Refer to Ramana. > > > Ramana mentions this time and again. > > > Nisargadatta is also pointing to this pinhole through which all worlds > > are > > > arising. > > > He refers to it as an ant giving birth to a lion. Through this pinhole, > > all > > > universes are > > > manifested when pure consciousness mixes with the five elements. > > > Beyond the pinhole, lies the unmanifested pure consciousness. > > > Stay as the unmanifested. > > > > On Wed, Jul 28, 2010 at 1:39 PM, Rodger <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > I would say the source is in the heart,not the chest...and not the > > > > heart that is in the chest. > > > > There is no shortcut to where you already are. > > > > > On Jul 28, 6:37 am, roomsearching <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > The source is in your chest. > > > > > I guarantee you it exists. > > > > > Once you find it, you will be enlightened automatically. > > > > > It is a shortcut. > > > > > > On Wed, Jul 28, 2010 at 12:35 PM, roomsearching < > > [email protected] > > > > >wrote: > > > > > > > It has a source. Refer to Ramana who calls it the Self. > > > > > > Nisargadatta calls it the Brahma aperture. > > > > > > > On Wed, Jul 28, 2010 at 11:56 AM, <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > >> Awareness has no source. > > > > > > >> Sent via BlackBerry from Vodafone > > > > > >> ------------------------------ > > > > > >> *From: * roomsearching <[email protected]> > > > > > >> *Date: *Wed, 28 Jul 2010 11:55:30 +0100 > > > > > >> *To: *<[email protected]> > > > > > >> *Cc: *Advaita<[email protected]> > > > > > >> *Subject: *Re: Words > > > > > > >> You are only pure water. > > > > > >> You have to find out where is your source. > > > > > >> Where is the tap which is releasing the water ? > > > > > >> Don't get involved with bubbles, alcohol and whatever it mixes > > with. > > > > > > >> On Wed, Jul 28, 2010 at 8:58 AM, <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > >>> The water remain water no matter if bubbles arise. Bubbles are > > 'one > > > > with' > > > > > >>> water. They appear, disappear. > > > > > >>> It's the same here. You are 'one with' words. > > > > > >>> Water remains water if it is muddy (suffering) or crystal > > > > clear(absence > > > > > >>> of suffering). > > > > > >>> Water remains water if there is alcohol dissolved in it > > (pleasure) or > > > > not > > > > > >>> (absence of pleasure) > > > > > >>> Water remains water no matter what. > > > > > > >>> Just my daily metaphor... > > > > > > >>> Sent via BlackBerry from Vodafone
