I was going to mention that :-)

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On 6 Aug 2010, at 00:24, roomsearching <[email protected]> wrote:

> Looking back at it, I think my message was a bit gay. 
> 
> On Fri, Aug 6, 2010 at 12:06 AM, roomsearching <[email protected]> 
> wrote:
> Amazing stories. I love these little zen stories with great messages. 
> My inner guru must have been a Zen master in the past life. 
> Everytime I read a Zen story, he becomes extremely excited. 
> 
> To demonstrate the concept of destroying duality, Japanese kill whales these 
> days. 
> That way, people will stop having debates and arguments about  whether 
> endangered species should be protected. 
> 
> 
> On Thu, Aug 5, 2010 at 9:09 PM, Mark Ty-Wharton <[email protected]> 
> wrote:
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> 
> 
> The koan “Nansen Cuts the Cat in Two” is, as I see it, one of the most 
> important koans ever. It not only reveals the deepest of the Zen of Hui-neng, 
> but it also depicts the main conflict within Zen, that is to say the friction 
> between the Gradual and the Sudden Schools during the Tang and Sung 
> years.What comes first, Sunyata or Prajna? The koan gives a lucid answer, an 
> answer that divided Zen into Soto and Rinzai.
> 
> 
> Nansen Cuts the Cat in Two (The Gateless Gate, Case 14; translated by Koun 
> Yamada. Center Publications 1979)
> 
> The Case
> 
> Once the monks of the eastern and western Zen halls were quarreling about a 
> cat. Nansen held up the cat and said, “You monks! If one of you can say a 
> word, I will spare the cat. If you can’t say anything, I will put it to the 
> sword.” No one could answer, so Nansen finally slew it. In the evening, when 
> Joshu returned, Nansen told him what had happened. Joshu, thereupon, took off 
> his sandals, put them on his head and walked off. Nansen said, “If you had 
> been there, I could have spared the cat.”
> 
> Mumon’s Commentary
> 
> What is the meaning of Joshu’s putting his sandals on his head? If you can 
> give a turning word concerning this matter, you will be able to see that 
> Nansen’s command was not meaningless. But if you can’t, look out! Danger!
> 
> The Verse
> 
> Had Joshu been there He would have given the command instead Had he snatched 
> away the sword, Even Nansen would have begged for his life.
> 
> Why does Nansen kill the cat?
> 
> Nansen cuts off the entangled discussion of the monks by using “the sword of 
> Prajna”. Nansen’s sword points to Prajna or wisdom. Nansen is the Bodhisattva 
> Manjushri.
> 
> Manjushri’s most dynamic attribute is his Vajra sword. The sword cuts through 
> ignorance and the entanglements of conceptual views. It cuts away ego and 
> self-created obstacles. It can cut things in two, but it can also cut into 
> one, by cutting the self-other dichotomy. It is said the sword can both give 
> and take life.
> 
> Verse 31 from Yoka Daishi’s “Song Of Enlightenment”:
> 
> A man of great will carries with him a sword of Prajna, Whose flaming 
> Vajra-blade cuts all the entanglements of knowledge and ignorance; It not 
> only smashes in pieces the intellect of the philosophers But disheartens the 
> spirit of the evil ones.
> 
> So when Nansen kills the cat he points to non-duality. To show the monks that 
> Zen is not based on words, he points to emptiness of thought by cutting the 
> cat in two, that is, cutting LOGIC thus conveying non-thought or non-duality. 
> Nansen tries to remove the dual and logic thinking of the monks.
> 
> The problem with logic is, that logic is relative, not absolute. What is 
> logical depends on where one is in time and space. So there is not one 
> absolute logic, there are many “logics”. What is evident seen from one 
> position is not evident seen from another position, hence logic is not logic 
> but conflict. There IS nothing high or low, right or wrong. High or low and 
> wright or wrong are concepts, the result of comparison not reality itself. 
> That means our “logical” conclusions are conditioned and relative and this is 
> the main source of illusions, conflicts, suffering and war.
> 
> But it is Joshu not Nansen who knows the true method of how to use the sword 
> of Prajna. Why could the answer of Joshu have saved the cat’s life? Because 
> Joshu demonstrates his method is superior to that of Nansen. Nansen makes the 
> mistake of not only negating words but also of negating forms. He is actually 
> killing life through his method of total negation of both words and forms. 
> Nansen’s sword of negation becomes a pointer to nothingness, not to 
> emptiness, that is, wu-nien, no thought. The way of Nansen is nihilism, the 
> destruction of life.
> 
> Moreover, Nansen is doing an act of will when he cuts duality, but using will 
> is the same as creating duality, a split between what ought to be and what 
> is. Instead cultivation must be carried out by non-cultivation. That is what 
> Joshu does. A mirror cannot be made by grinding a brick. The ordinary way, 
> the ordinary mind is the Way. The method of Nansen is intellectualization 
> which Zen utterly opposes, since intellectual efforts create duality hence 
> karma.
> 
> Joshu knows that to gain true insight, negation (denial) of not only thoughts 
> but also of forms (appearences) only lead to nothingness. But nothingness is 
> a dual concept, an abstraction, since it can only exist opposed to something. 
> Hence negation of forms becomes denial of reality. Forms are THE empty 
> reality, they are “what is”. Form is emptiness and emptiness is form Negation 
> of forms is thus gazing at a void and reality freezes into an abstraction of 
> nothingness.
> 
> Hui-neng clarified, that negation is crucial when it comes to words and 
> concepts, but it is a big mistake to use negation when it comes to conceive 
> reality as it is. To overcome such an extreme nihilism one has to use 
> NEGATION OF NEGATION that is, instead of excluding forms (negating 
> appearances) one has to include forms, that is, see thoughts (and cats) as 
> they appear in suchness, in a detached, empty manner.That is seeing, yet not 
> seeing. Its not pure negation, it is the middle way.
> 
> See things as they appear,in emptiness, is seeing with MIND (Hsing), which is 
> very different from staring at a negated nothingness. The killing of the cat 
> is a negation of form, of life. Seeing life as it is, empty yet not empty, is 
> Prajna. Negating reality is the killing of life.
> 
> Joshu experiences forms as functions of Mind, not as something which must be 
> cut to nothingness.Seeing with the eyes of Prajna is experiencing that the 
> spirituality of life is vital.
> 
> Below is a small and incredible sharp mono on the difference between seeing 
> in nothingness and in emptiness.
> 
> A mondo on Prajna
> 
> Yunju was crossing the river with Dongshan.
> 
> Dongshan said, “How deep is it?”
> 
> Yunju said, “it’s not wet”
> 
> Dongshan said, “You rustic!”
> 
> Yunju said, “What would you say, Master?”
> 
> Dongshan said, “Not dry” .
> 
> The small mondo is beautiful and exceptionally sharp: “it’s not wet” points 
> to emptiness and “Not dry” points to Prajna (or Mind) because:
> 
> “Not wet” leaves out anything, it points to nothingness. If not wet, then 
> what is it? There is no pointer to any reality. The negation is total.
> 
> “Not dry” is not a total negation. “Not dry” points to water without using 
> the word “water”. The negation is just a negation of words but not of our 
> conscience, our mind. It is empty mind or emptiness.
> 
> Hence “not wet” is not prajna, it is just pointing to nothingness, whereas 
> “not dry” is Prajna since it points to water, but not to the concept of 
> “water”. Hence it is “knowing in emptiness”. Knowledge not based on words but 
> on intuition is Prajna. It is the middle Way.
> 
> So a NATURAL response to circumstances, not a response conditioned by the 
> intellect is the Way and that is the way of Joshu. Nansen represents the Zen 
> INTELLECT, while Joshu is the SPIRIT of Zen. Joshu puts the shoes on his head 
> thereby showing his empty innocence, while Nansen demonstrates his rational 
> goal and will by cutting the cat in two. In order to cut duality he creates 
> duality. The intellect IS dual. It is a killer because when one chooses A one 
> must logical reject (kill) B. The mistake of Nansen is his choosing which is 
> conditioned by his words. He had to kill the cat. Words create their own 
> reality.
> 
> Why would even Nansen have begged for his life had Joshu snatched away the 
> sword? Because the ultimate truth cannot be reached with language, doctrines, 
> not even with negation. Prajna can only be reached with a Mind totally devoid 
> of any concepts, but not devoid of conscience. One has to negate the the idea 
> of oneself. Nansen has to turn the sword, the knife, against the concept of 
> himself not against a cat.
> 
> A Japanese Zen Master in the Tokugawa period named Shido Bunan had a waka 
> poem:
> 
> Die while alive, and be completely dead,
> then do whatever you will, all is good.
> 
> The koan is an attack on any tendency to intellectualize Zen. It is not an 
> incident that Nansen says “You monks! If one of you can say a word, I will 
> spare the cat. This “say a word” is the key to the main question of the koan 
> and the silence of Joshu is the answer of the koan. The koan is a defense of 
> the most ancient definition of zen: “A specific transmission outside 
> writings, no dependence with respect to words and letters ·”
> 
> As formulated by Yi-hsuan:
> 
> “Only do ordinary things with no special efforts, relieve your bowels, pass 
> water wear your clothes, eat your food, and, when tired, lie down! Simple 
> fellows will laugh at you, but the wise will understand.”
> 
> The koan is deeply rooted in Hui-neng Zen with its emphasis on suchness and 
> Prajna as opposed to a more formalized type of Zen.The distinctions between 
> monastic authorities and lay followers and between Buddha and ordinary being 
> are here called into question by the person of Joshu who has a striking 
> similarity with Vimalakīrti, a layman and ordinary man of the world who 
> nevertheless rivals the Bodhisattva Mañjuśrī (Nansen) himself in 
> understanding.
> 
> In essence, Vimalakirti (Joshu) clears up the confusions surrounding the 
> central Buddhist concept of emptiness, or voidness— presenting it not as 
> nihilism but rather “as the joyous and compassionate commitment to living 
> beings born form an unwavering confrontation with the inconceivable 
> profundity of ultimate reality.”
> 
> The koan shows a turn in its presentation of the Mahāyāna teaching of 
> emptiness (śūnyatā). The koan is a homage to Joshu who demonstrates the 
> ‘thunderous silence of Vimalakīrti’ and the admiration is understandable. The 
> succinct and profound sayings and koans of Joshu are unsurpassable in their 
> Zen purity.
> 
> However, there is a more genuine Zen way of expressing the meaning of “Nansen 
> kills the cat”, since koans are certainly not meant to be interpreted but to 
> be understood in suchness that is, as self-evident:
> 
> Cut words about what is, but do not cut what is.
> 
> The Haiku poet and Zen monk Basho is beautifully in accordance with this 
> principle:
> 
> A flash of lightening:
> throug the darkness goes
> the cry of a night heron
> 
> Note
> 
> It is not even worth discussing whether Nansen actually killed the cat or 
> not, since the killing of the cat is nothing but a pointer. “Killing the cat” 
> is Zen talk just like when Zen Master Lin Chi says, “If you meet the Buddha, 
> kill the Buddha. If you meet a Patriarch, kill the Patriarch.” Zen sayings 
> and koans use concrete phenomena as pointers to abstract principles to avoid 
> theorizing and speculations. Koans are always formulated concretely not 
> philosophical. They are upayic or pedagogic answers or stories by the masters.
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> Vimalakirti in debate with the bodhisattva Manjusri, detail from a wall 
> painting in Cave 103 of Dunhuang, Gansu province, China, dated to the Tang 
> Dynasty, 8th century
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> Date
> 
> 8th century AD
> 
> Source
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> Scanned from Michael Sullivan’s The Arts of China: Fourth Edition (1999)
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> Author
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> Chinese artist
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