If a football coach tells you to run 10 laps around the stadium, you don't think about what he said, you run. It's the same here. Sent via BlackBerry from Vodafone
-----Original Message----- From: fearlessinquirer <[email protected]> Sender: [email protected] Date: Mon, 6 Sep 2010 12:00:22 To: Advaita-Zen<[email protected]> Subject: Re: The biggest 'spiritual' effort All these "gurus" tell you to watch this and what that but are you watching at all? You hear thier words and expressions but are you listening at all? They all point you to something prior to yourself but you refuse to look. You are making the pointer the point, which is not thier "teaching". They only serve as a mirror for you to look at your reflected self in, as you are, not as you wish or intend to be. Are you looking at all? are you listening at all? find out who/what this seer/watcher/observe/senser really is. They all point to that. Which is not a concept at all. Words are born out of this and die in this. this that is ever-present. not new but always so fresh. to say fresh is to give it a quality which is still very limited. alright I will remain silent for now until you awaken me again. On Sep 6, 2:18 pm, [email protected] wrote: > Nisargadatta said to watch the I am sense, his guru said him the same. So, I > obey without questioning and do the same. > Sent via BlackBerry from Vodafone > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: fearlessinquirer <[email protected]> > > Sender: [email protected] > Date: Mon, 6 Sep 2010 11:15:11 > To: Advaita-Zen<[email protected]> > Subject: Re: The biggest 'spiritual' effort > > The "I" that does the I am sense watching is saying "I am not there > yet." That which is timeless cannot be approached by time. Loose the > concepts of here and there and it is finished. > > On Sep 6, 12:31 pm, [email protected] wrote: > > I am not there yet. > > Sent via BlackBerry from Vodafone > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: fearlessinquirer <[email protected]> > > > Sender: [email protected] > > Date: Mon, 6 Sep 2010 09:15:41 > > To: Advaita-Zen<[email protected]> > > Subject: Re: The biggest 'spiritual' effort > > > The effort to keep watching the I am sense and ignoring thoughts while > > watching is necessary until you've come to realize that it is > > unnecessary. > > > On Sep 6, 11:14 am, [email protected] wrote: > > > The effort to keep watching the I am sense and ignoring thoughts while > > > watching is required but this effort arises spontaneously. The mind, at > > > some point discovers by itself that it feels better while watching itself > > > aka slowing itself down. > > > Sent via BlackBerry from Vodafone > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: fearlessinquirer <[email protected]> > > > > Sender: [email protected] > > > Date: Mon, 6 Sep 2010 06:28:08 > > > To: Advaita-Zen<[email protected]> > > > Subject: Re: The biggest 'spiritual' effort > > > > As your heart beats effortlessly, so is the spiritual path. > > > Spirituality is the whole dissolution of effort. Effort implies > > > conflict. (You are here now but mind says this is meaningless; meaning > > > is in that, not this, and so one employs the vehicle of effort to > > > shift from this to that …and from that one shifts again ….endless > > > shifting and never arriving) > > > > In the physical world effort is necessary but spiritually, effort is > > > not necessary or maybe necessary until you’ve come to realize that it > > > is unnecessary. There’s spirituality only when will/desire/effort is > > > not. > > > > On Sep 6, 7:32 am, [email protected] wrote: > > > > is not to get hooked by thoughts. If you achieve that you've done your > > > > job. > > > > Your present situation as well as your goals are made of thoughts. > > > > I, for example, have to detach myself from this thoughts I've just > > > > written. > > > > Sent via BlackBerry from Vodafone- Hide quoted text - > > > > - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text - > > > - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text - > > - Show quoted text -
