I talk about paths because you've made what Nisargadatta said into a path. Nisargadatta himself had no path.
On Sep 6, 4:37 pm, Marko Gregoric <[email protected]> wrote: > You wouldn't be talking about a path if there was no path. > > 2010/9/6 fearlessinquirer <[email protected]> > > > > > there is no path to it my friend. no path at all. it is here, there, > > everywhere, in you, in me, in them, in this keyboard, in this monitor, > > in the air you breathe now, in the eyes that look at this now, in you > > that respond to this. > > > On Sep 6, 3:14 pm, [email protected] wrote: > > > I listen, I obey, I look. I don't think about the teaching. I follow it. > > > Sent via BlackBerry from Vodafone > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: fearlessinquirer <[email protected]> > > > > Sender: [email protected] > > > Date: Mon, 6 Sep 2010 12:00:22 > > > To: Advaita-Zen<[email protected]> > > > Subject: Re: The biggest 'spiritual' effort > > > > All these "gurus" tell you to watch this and what that but are you > > > watching at all? You hear thier words and expressions but are you > > > listening at all? They all point you to something prior to yourself > > > but you refuse to look. You are making the pointer the point, which is > > > not thier "teaching". They only serve as a mirror for you to look at > > > your reflected self in, as you are, not as you wish or intend to be. > > > Are you looking at all? are you listening at all? find out who/what > > > this seer/watcher/observe/senser really is. They all point to that. > > > Which is not a concept at all. Words are born out of this and die in > > > this. this that is ever-present. not new but always so fresh. to say > > > fresh is to give it a quality which is still very limited. alright I > > > will remain silent for now until you awaken me again. > > > > On Sep 6, 2:18 pm, [email protected] wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta said to watch the I am sense, his guru said him the same. > > So, I obey without questioning and do the same. > > > > Sent via BlackBerry from Vodafone > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > From: fearlessinquirer <[email protected]> > > > > > Sender: [email protected] > > > > Date: Mon, 6 Sep 2010 11:15:11 > > > > To: Advaita-Zen<[email protected]> > > > > Subject: Re: The biggest 'spiritual' effort > > > > > The "I" that does the I am sense watching is saying "I am not there > > > > yet." That which is timeless cannot be approached by time. Loose the > > > > concepts of here and there and it is finished. > > > > > On Sep 6, 12:31 pm, [email protected] wrote: > > > > > I am not there yet. > > > > > Sent via BlackBerry from Vodafone > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > > From: fearlessinquirer <[email protected]> > > > > > > Sender: [email protected] > > > > > Date: Mon, 6 Sep 2010 09:15:41 > > > > > To: Advaita-Zen<[email protected]> > > > > > Subject: Re: The biggest 'spiritual' effort > > > > > > The effort to keep watching the I am sense and ignoring thoughts > > while > > > > > watching is necessary until you've come to realize that it is > > > > > unnecessary. > > > > > > On Sep 6, 11:14 am, [email protected] wrote: > > > > > > The effort to keep watching the I am sense and ignoring thoughts > > while watching is required but this effort arises spontaneously. The mind, > > at some point discovers by itself that it feels better while watching itself > > aka slowing itself down. > > > > > > Sent via BlackBerry from Vodafone > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > > > From: fearlessinquirer <[email protected]> > > > > > > > Sender: [email protected] > > > > > > Date: Mon, 6 Sep 2010 06:28:08 > > > > > > To: Advaita-Zen<[email protected]> > > > > > > Subject: Re: The biggest 'spiritual' effort > > > > > > > As your heart beats effortlessly, so is the spiritual path. > > > > > > Spirituality is the whole dissolution of effort. Effort implies > > > > > > conflict. (You are here now but mind says this is meaningless; > > meaning > > > > > > is in that, not this, and so one employs the vehicle of effort to > > > > > > shift from this to that …and from that one shifts again ….endless > > > > > > shifting and never arriving) > > > > > > > In the physical world effort is necessary but spiritually, effort > > is > > > > > > not necessary or maybe necessary until you’ve come to realize that > > it > > > > > > is unnecessary. There’s spirituality only when will/desire/effort > > is > > > > > > not. > > > > > > > On Sep 6, 7:32 am, [email protected] wrote: > > > > > > > is not to get hooked by thoughts. If you achieve that you've done > > your job. > > > > > > > Your present situation as well as your goals are made of > > thoughts. > > > > > > > I, for example, have to detach myself from this thoughts I've > > just written. > > > > > > > Sent via BlackBerry from Vodafone- Hide quoted text - > > > > > > > - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text - > > > > > > - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text - > > > > > - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text - > > > > - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text - > > - Show quoted text -
