.

Thanks Mark, always a pleasure.


It is in fact a very old concept.   Humans long before us felt and realised 
this human dichotomy.    If we where purely logical and rational, this 
conversation could never happen.   Logic and reason can only dwell on that 
which clearly is.   There is no tangible evidence for love, beauty, passion, 
revelation, God or fear.  Logic and reason has no knowledge of these things.    
 Conversely  love, beauty, passion, revelation, God or fear have no direct 
correlation with logic and reason.
This apparent duality of order and chaos.


Latin :   Ordo ab Chao

Ordo ab Chao, which means Order from Chaos.

This ancient Latin phrase implies that to create order you must first create 
chaos.
This is meant to be more of a 'from crazyness we made order' type thing.
So alternatively, you could phrase it, "Out of Chaos, Order".and of course.
From order, there will be chaos.

The real mistake is to attempt to resolve this mysterious apparent dilemma.

Whereas the rest of this universe just gets on with it.
The question it's self is the only dilemma.
An egotistical intelligence which demands an logical answer when there is none.

Know this :  nothing can prove, or disprove 2+2=4 everywhere in the universe at 
the same time.
This means somewhere in this universe, even this simple rule of logic is-not 
true.

Each day fully employ Faith, Hope & Charity in your being.


Dance with the mysteries,  enjoy the muddle.




Marcus Hughes.  IEng MIET
JNP Station Layouts
Building Control Group.

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-----Original Message-----
From: Mark Ty-Wharton [mailto:[email protected]]
Sent: 14 February 2011 11:24
To: Hughes, Marcus
Cc: Advaita-Zen
Subject: Re: The Manufactured Ego

Muddled up is probably the best way to describe the Knowing of "EVERYTHING is 
made up out of NOTHING!"

Well obviously :-)

Knowing is the everything, not knowing is nothing so it cannot be known. That 
is not a negation of terms either - it is just that knowing of "all that is 
not" cannot happen

The gift is to know this truth and simply dance with the mystery.  It's a 
fool's errant to demand cognitive, logic and reason about a subject like the 
conscious awareness beyond human ego.

We know enough to say that humans are, on the one hand bound by the limitations 
of logic and reason and yet, psychologically and emotionally very aware of 
love, elation, revelation and fear.

But love, eleation, revelation and fear are conceptually driven interpretations 
of simple sensations, born out of the mind.

My take on this is simple.   As human sentient beings we are the dichotomy of 
rational and irrational conscious awareness.   This balance leads us to 
perceive duality.  Each day we arrive in a condition of rational and irrational 
conscious awareness.   And it is only through this condition that we examine 
and struggle to understand our arrival.

My sincere belief is.  We manifest each morning to progress our ability to be.  
 Happiness, enlightenment, revelation and the sartorial elegance of our 
Universal Unity are all by products of our ability to be.

The ego, self and oxygen are only elemental ingredients in a process of 
progress. We have no right to demand logic and reason, we have no right to 
demand understanding.

We are here and now.

This is our  "EVERYTHING is made up out of NOTHING!  And the nothing, which 
makes everything.

Who is not muddled up ?
Surly, muddled up is only, the honest truth of all.

Perhaps you are right :-)


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