On 21 March 2011 18:25, roomsearching <[email protected]> wrote:
> Sorry. The Absolute state is not a belief. Who told you it is a belief ? It > is not an experience. It is an eternal state in which you are all the time. > Have you gone beyond the "I am" ? If not agree that you are ignorant and > dwell in the "I am" until it disappears and the Absolute is reached. > and having reached the absolute who is it who says what it is and what it means? you are a human being and meaning making is inherent in the survival mechanism of being human the absolute (your context) is meaningless of course "I" haven't gone beyond the "I am" but there has been recognition that experience can arise prior to "I am" and any person who wished to go beyond IT. the absolute wasn't reached either, it was simply noticed that the absolute was here all along and any notion of a me was something arising in it In this Brahman, everything is illusion, but who understands that ? The > principle that understands, realizes, and witnesses is the Parabrahman. > Witnessing happens to the Parabrahman. In this manifest state, everything is > ever-changing, nothing is permanent and all is illusion. > - Nisargadatta (Seeds of Consciousness) > well whoever translated this probably didn't understand that :) English speakers should probably stick to native English gurus LOL On Mon, Mar 21, 2011 at 5:25 PM, Mark Ty-Wharton <[email protected]>wrote: > >> a personal opinion >> >> I think advaita has a concept about what exists prior to "I am" which in >> itself is dogmatic and I invite you not to let it become a 'belief' >> >> an experience that we are all one is simply an experience >> >> there is something else to get when you don't know >> >> not knowing is paradoxical >> >> like the concept of anti-finite is more accurate than zero or infinite >> >> anti-matter may be a more accurate description than no thing >> >> I am NOT that that I am NOT >> >> in the end there is no 'real' me >> >> hope that clears that up :) >> >> On 21 March 2011 17:03, roomsearching <[email protected]> wrote: >> >>> The message "I Am" is time bound. The principle to which "I Am" refers to >>> is beyond time, timeless, eternal. >>> The witnessing of the manifest world happens to that Ultimate principle. >>> When you observe something, you receive it, record it and deliberate over >>> it; therefore you are involved in it. >>> The Ultimate does not receive or record the passing show. >>> >>> - Nisargadatta Maharaj (from Seeds of Consciousness) >>> >>> >>> -------------------------------------------------------------------------- >>> What you people are calling as real is just the manifest world. >>> Manifestation is observed by the manifest "I am". >>> But the Absolute which supports the "I am" is unmanifested. The ego >>> itself is a manifestation and your egos think that the illusion is real. >>> Manifestation = illusion = unreal. >>> ---------------------------------------------------------------- >>> >>>
