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Yes ……….. I do agree. The body or vessel needs to dump, eat food and break wind. These things of the bodily world function irrespective of direction or intention. The mind makes manifest independence and the soul sits back to enjoy the ride. Our delusion of free will is symptomatic of the universe’s intelligent. Like a faded reflection of our farther. Likewise purpose, love, progression and direction. These I feel sure are but remnants or echoes of the bigger picture. We just don’t know what to do our delusion sense of free will, love, progression or direction until we reconnect with the whole. Only then we realise “what is, is as it should be” this includes our constant attempts for morality, virtue and justice. Clarity is only to see this, our delusion of being as the best chance we have of knowing anything. Dance with the mystery ……………… . On Apr 13, 2:20 pm, roomsearching <[email protected]> wrote: > Your "I am" ness did not arise by free will. > It was just a chance event. The body came out of the womb and the "I am" > ness was created automatically. > Where is the choice there ? > Life has been continued since millions of years by biochemical reactions. > There is no free will involved in it. > Its common sense. If you place an egg and a sperm close to each other, the > sperm fertilizes it by biochemical means. > There is absolutely no God or free will involved in you taking a dump > everyday or even your daily craving for food or daily cycles of sleep and > waking. > In the middle of this all, you sit down and think about free will and > mystical bullshit. It is all a luxury for you - something to gain pleasure > out of. > The more you know about it, the more intellectual pleasure you derive from > it. > > To be really a realized person, you have to go crazy. There has to be > something breaking inside your psyche- the ego has to break. > It is indeed a mentally disturbed state. But the Self will take care of the > mind-body once that state is achieved. > > On Wed, Apr 13, 2011 at 10:06 AM, Mark Ty-Wharton > <[email protected]>wrote: > > > > > Okay, finally I disagree with the illusion of free will. > > > It is clear that immediate free will is illusory. > > > It is also clear that intentions can cause future events to unfold in line > > with will. > > > Mark > > > Sent from an iPhone > > > On 12 Apr 2011, at 14:49, Marcus <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > . > > > > “So Advaita could be said to be the infinite expression of an end to > > > suffering?” > > > > Yes, in a fashion ………… > > > > Suffering as the Buddha teaches, is a condition created and > > > perpetuated by the human mind. To free the mind from suffering is to > > > retrain the mind to look at this experience of self in a new way. > > > One of the many recommendations was/is to re-examine this moment and > > > how we co-exist in an impossible balance of circumstance. Our > > > thoughts, our feeling are no different to the impossibility of the > > > conditions of this plant and solar system. So finely balanced that > > > one small shift in temperature or rotational spine and all we > > > currently know ends and a new circumstance begins. Our illusion of > > > free-will and existence, could and in fact will one day, change in an > > > instant. These are our precarious circumstance. Advaita invites the > > > mind to examine the bigger picture of our being. To step beyond the > > > confines of our simple survival and imagine the whole of this > > > universal circumstance. > > > > It can-not be an end to suffering because the as long as there is > > > humans, there will be human suffering. But it can guide the > > > individual to reconstruct their interpretations of this our experience > > > of being human. > > > > My experience of this affect is to minimise suffering. To reduce its > > > effect to the point where suffering becomes just the bumps along the > > > road of this, our wondrous adventure. > > > > Non-duality is simply to know that the bumps and the road are one, > > > whole. Ultimately, As is all the conditions we experience. > > > Happiness needs unhappiness. Suffering needs joy. Not opposite but > > > the compliments of a whole. > > > > Infinite because the human mind, spirit and soul remain undefined > > > …………. Yet we all have them. We all feel them every day. > > > > . > > > > On Apr 12, 1:04 pm, Marcus <[email protected]> wrote: > > >> . > > > >> Thanks Mark, > > > >> We agree in different ways. > > > >> Sounds good to me ………your words are much better then mine, but of > > >> course I make no judgement. > > > >> “The purpose of a motor car is transportation.” > > > >> Using this expression as your core principle. > > > >> While it’s correct to say ““The purpose of a motor car is > > >> transportation.” There are clearly many other purposes for a car. To > > >> sustain business. To advertise status. To cherish in a museum, to be > > >> crushed into granules and recycled into a computer. > > > >> Exploring Advaita has no absolutes. Purpose has no absolutes. Love > > >> has no absolutes. Fear, Hope, Beauty, Anger, Stupidity, Happiness, > > >> Depression. Etc, Etc, these human conditions are not finite. > > > >> In Opinion -:- > > >> All of these intangible Human conditions are created my the > > >> individual, suffer or enjoyed by the individual and ultimately > > >> destroyed by the individual. The purpose of such conditions must > > >> clearly be defined by the individual who makes manifest. No > > >> individual can completely or fully appreciate the conditions of > > >> another. Therefore Only the individual can fully know and experience > > >> their conditions of purpose, Fear, Hope, Beauty, Anger, Stupidity, > > >> Happiness, Depression. Etc, Etc, > > > >> Unlike the car which came with a manual and a tangible purpose. > > >> Humans have only themselves to examine and fully understand and > > >> trust. > > > >> Advaita – only points to an very old understanding of all the universe > > >> being instrumental in a synchronised momentary event, known as this > > >> now. Like a light beacon in a stormy sea it directs the heart and > > >> mind to look and think about this now in a new way. Instead of > > >> seeing this world as separates, past, future, my stuff, your stuff, > > >> big and small. Advaita says look again. Look deeper. Listen > > >> harder. > > > >> All is not what it seems ……….. > > > >> . > > > >> On Apr 12, 11:38 am, Mark Ty-Wharton <[email protected]> wrote: > > > >>> On 11 April 2011 11:57, roomsearching <[email protected]> wrote: > > > >>>> You have to go beyond the blah blah blah to understand the Self. > > >>>> Be perfectly silent. When awakening happens, you will know what the > > Self > > >>>> is. > > > >>> sounds like you are limited by what you think self is? > > > >>> surely awakening is knowing what self is not > > > >>> I am not the body, mind, thoughts or feelings > > > >>> In that freedom and even that is not who or what I am- Hide quoted text > > - > > > >> - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text - > > - Show quoted text -
