In a message dated 4/18/08 10:31:14 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
>
> "*prize fights
> *german lieder
> *dog shows
> *golf matches
> *flower shows
> *wrestling matches
> *Kabuki
>
> "It's my assertion that 'jazz' is a much broader category than any of them."
>
> Aw, shoot you left off opera, which was on that list. And I see I neglected
to list ballet, which I also mentioned earlier re Sutherland.
I hope you don't think that being a "broad" category is necessarily an
indication of "enjoyability". Meantime, you assume it's praising jazz when
you
assert it's composed of more genres than any other category in the arts, but
there's no compelling test for when something "is" a genre. I can assert that
"chamber music" is a "genre". And then that quartets are a genre, then that
string
quartets are a genre, and then that....
True: Derek's argument would have carried more weight if only he'd had the
presence of mind to keep a record of all the jazz performances he was
involuntarily exposed to and loathed.
Look, the guy reports that he has willy-nilly been subjected to jazz for
decades and he's despised every moment. As I argued, comes a point where I say
he's entitled to figure this isn't the genre for me.
You say, "when Cheerskep is being obsessive about philosophy of language,
he's fondly remembering the student years he spent with Ludwig Wittgenstein."
If
by "student years" you have in mind college and grad school, in fact I never
studied LW then. No fair sneering at what I've said about LW unless you've read
what I said. But if you had read it, you'd know that 'fondly' is hardly the
adverb to describe how I remember him. I've conveyed that he was interesting
and important in the way he made philosophy stop and take another look at some
important aspects, but I've complained that he failed to see how "fuzzy" he
could be ("the meaning of a word is its use in the language"), that he seemed
to
have something like a failure of nerve when he was on the brink of really
breaking through, and lots more that's critical. And certainly I've read
nothing
that suggested I'd ever like the guy personally. Read "Wittgenstein's Poker"
for some idea why.
Finally you write:
"(And it was VERY bad idea to have this forum's language policeman also
become its all-powerful monitor. It was a mistake - and it may prove to have
been a
fatal one.)"
That's just anger talking, Chris, prompted by my last posting about the
character of your postings. I certainly accept your generous award for being
the
forum's "language policeman" -- what the hell, all you guys know far more about
visual art than I do, but everything that gets to this forum is in MY "genre":
language -- but I've done nothing as an "all-powerful monitor".
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