I'm not sure who won the match -- but I do have my doubts about the line
judge, Cheerskep, when he writes:

"In all walks of life we are justified in rejecting entire genres without
exposing ourselves to every possible instances of them. My wife will not watch
any prize fight; she hates the genre. I wouldn't require her to watch an
interminable number of bouts before she would be entitled to say she hates the
genre."

.... because it's important to notice that 'jazz' is a much bigger umbrella
than 'prize fight'

I realize that, like all claims regarding the arts, the above statement is
debatable -- and perhaps, to the fight aficionado, every bout is as different
as every sub-genre of jazz -- but I would assert that such a claim is the
result of too many blows to the head.

Of course, the explication of my argument is not an easy one -- I would have
to begin to list, exemplify, and characterize all of those genres, from
Dixieland to experimental.

Perhaps Derek would fall asleep before the explication was done - and he is
certainly justified in ignoring whatever he wants to.

But - still -- Alan is correct to test the breadth and depth of his
interlocutor's experience -- if the conversation is going to proceed
(even if those of us who have known Derek for many years already knew what the
results of that test would be)


BTW -- listers should visit  Alan's website:

http://www.kyushu-ns.ac.jp/~allan/Documents/ajs-00.html

He seems to be living in two cultures -- and the site itself has its own,
curious, kind-of-Japanese aesthetic -- as well as presenting his "Musician
Career Path Research Project" -- which includes jazz, but seems to focus on
the act of improvisation wherever it might occur.








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