Derek writes:

"Cheerskep is assuming, I think, that I want to propose working substitutes 
or replacements for these words ['aesthetic' and 'beauty']. I don't. I just 
want them ignored for say about 10 years. I want people to forget they ever 
existed."

No. I said if Derek wants the words banned he could aid his case by 
suggesting other phrases in their place. And I expressly said the job couldn't 
be done 
with single "equivalent" words. I had earlier argued for banning the word 
'reality' because it stirred different and often incompatible notions. At base 
the 
problem Derek or anyone has with 'beauty' and 'aesthetic' is very similar to 
that with 'reality': a reader can never be serviceably sure what the writer 
who uses those words has in mind. 
 
However, I wasn't trying to ban all the various notions a writer might harbor 
when he uses the word 'reality'. Some of those notions may be worthy and 
defensible. So I figured I should try to demonstrate how replacement phrases 
could 
be used depending on the various notions the writer wanted to convey. I said 
I believe we can in large part preserve and convey the particular core notion 
in the mind, while reducing the confusion caused by the many potential notions 
behind the word 'reality'.   

For example, when I indicted 'reality', I knew some people use it to indicate 
what they might call the "material" world "out there", like the "real" iron 
structure in Paris we call "the Eiffel Tower", and explicitly to exclude things 
that have only "mental existence" like fantasies of Santa Claus, paranoid 
delusions, and even sane worries, anxieties, fears, hopes. Derek, however, on 
the 
argument that fantasies and fears can be a dominating factor in some people's 
lives, opted to call such things "more real" to those who have them than is 
some remote material object they'll never see or even hear about. 

Neither notion behind the word 'reality' is "wrong", but they are mutually 
contradictory, so two people can be using the same word while entertaining 
incompatible notions. Brady, because Derek wants to call fantasies 'real', 
suggested using the terms 'fiction" and 'non-fiction' to render unnecessary the 
use of 
'real' or 'unreal' when someone might want to classify factual accounts and 
fantasies. And I suggested 'notional' and 'non-notional' to distinguish purely 
"mental" entities from all entities that exist outside anyone's mind. Those 
locutions, I figured, accommodated Derek's notion when he declared anxieties to 
be "very real" to the person who has them, and the notion in the layman's mind 
when he insists the Eiffel Tower is "real" and Santa's factory is not. Thus 
the use of 'real' could be obviated, but core notions in both men's minds could 
be conveyed. 

If nothing else, pushing everyone to articulate more explicitly the notion 
they have in mind when they are inclined to use the words 'aesthetic' and 
'beauty' would, in Derek's phrase, cut down on the "short-circuiting of thought 
processes" that the use of easily available but ambiguous terms always fosters. 

It's intriguing to see that even the same person can harbor contradictory 
notions and never notice it because he doesn't entertain both of them at the 
same 
time. He or she might, for example, on Monday claim the phrase 'the 
non-fiction, everyday world'   is "just another term for 'reality'", and then 
on 
Wednesday claim the Santa Claus fantasy has "reality" for a child. People can 
do 
this without noticing they have just implied that 'non-fiction' is just another 
word for fantasy.

Or they might convey that they know art when they see it because it gives 
them a "response to art", and then on another day convey they believe in the 
existence of "bad art" -- which, I think we may assume, does NOT give them a 
"response to art". 

These are not insuperable confusions, but they require the speakers to spell 
out what they have in mind with the key terms.   

I don't trust anyone who insists that a given word is "the only one" that can 
serviceably convey what he has in mind. 



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