What words might necessarily have to come to mind while dancing , whistling or playing a flute.
mando On Sun, May 11, 2008 at 7:42 AM, William Conger <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I really do think it's pictures before words, but it > could also be both at the same time, or like > Gombrich's rabbit/duck -- first one then instantly the > other, back and forth, each informing the other. > There's always a gap, I think, between what we > picture and what we say, what we imagine and what we > do. I think Derek is right about the creative writing > being led along by the language and the same could be > said about mind-pictures (diagrams?) pushing the > words, or the other way around. It's likely a mix of > every possibility back and forth, first word, then > picture, and then word, etc. It all comes down to > description. > > WC > > > > > --- Armando Baeza <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > Derek, in the use of paint or clay, to achieve any > > abstract design, does one > > have to use words?. Does one have to think of words > > while whistling? Do > > dancers have to think of words while dancing? Or > > playing a flute? > > > > mando > > > > On Sun, May 11, 2008 at 1:02 AM, Derek Allan > > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > For some reason I didn't get Cheerskep'e email re > > the above, but I saw > > > it on the archives. > > > > > > He writes in part: 'Writers struggle to choose > > the best words -- how > > > could that be if their > > > thoughts are in words?' > > > > > > I think the answer is they struggle precisely > > because the thought only > > > emerges fully once they sense the best words have > > been found. Until > > > then, it is a kind of embryo of a thought. 'Crime > > and Punishment' is > > > in a sense just one thought - which needed all > > those words to fully > > > reveal itself. Dostoyevsky was not writing down a > > pre-thought > > > 'language-less' idea - like an amanuensis putting > > someone else's ideas > > > on paper. He was exploring - discovering - his > > thought, as he wrote. > > > Like all artists. I think we all do much the same > > in everyday life in > > > a less developed way. > > > > > > Wordless thoughts would be like 'a painter' who > > had never painted > > > anything. > > > > > > DA
