Re: ' But whatever thinking led to your determination of those prints as art -- that > mental activity has not been embodied.'
Chris, So you're saying that every time anyone decides that a given work is a work of art, they have to somehow do a full analysis, express it all in words, and be able to give chapter and verse on the whole thing? Especially hard for me since, as I've said umpteen times, I do not think there is any statable list of criteria for measuring what is art and what is not. Do you? If so what is it? (I do feel entitled to ask, since you and others seem to believe there is such a list, whereas I have been quite specific in saying that I do not. But there is always a deafening silence when I ask.) If this is still about wordless thoughts, by the way, we are now about a million miles from my original claim - which was that if we have thoughts they cannot occur wordlessly. (And yes, if we are thinking visually or musically, those thoughts cannot take place in a vacuum either - I think that is even more obvious. Mozart apparently used to compose while going about every day activities - like riding in a coach. Do we imagine he didn't think in terms of notes, pitch, volume etc? Did he somehow have disembodied thoughts, divorced from anything musical at all, and then, by some miracle when he sat down to compose, these airy nothings turned into notes? ) Re" 'The more possible -- and interesting -- question is where have un-embodied > thoughts proven themselves to be useful -- or even, as you've acknowledged, > indispensable." What exactly am I supposed to have 'acknowledged?' I don't recognise any views of mine here. DA > On Wed, May 14, 2008 at 1:56 AM, Chris Miller <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Derek - what can any further investigation - philosophical or otherwise - > determine about whether there can "be a thought without any way of embodying > it" ? > > > It would be reckless person who proposed any limitations to the possibilities > for embodiment -- considering all the languages, or other forms of > embodiment > - that have or could be developed. > > The more possible -- and interesting -- question is where have un-embodied > thoughts proven themselves to be useful -- or even, as you've acknowledged, > indispensable. > > And one of those places seems to be the judging of art -- as you have just > exemplified with your experience at the Goya exhibit. > > Somehow - while viewing that exhibit - you determined that the prints were > art > -- and then you used that determination to draw some conclusions about art > (it > can't always be described with some notion of beauty). > > But whatever thinking led to your determination of those prints as art -- > that > mental activity has not been embodied. > > > > _____________________________________________________________ > Click to create your dream holiday trip now. > http://thirdpartyoffers.netzero.net/TGL2211/fc/Ioyw6ijmedC9x5d1P04aXc4TUJ5COu > AjfMaUaxR0dGNQLI1WjfhDhW/?count=1234567890 > > -- Derek Allan http://www.home.netspeed.com.au/derek.allan/default.htm
