But how are you or anyo of us going to evaluate by any other standards if we continue to insist on calling it art Chair, Visual Arts and Technologies The Cleveland Institute of Art
> From: Derek Allan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Reply-To: <[email protected]> > Date: Fri, 11 Jul 2008 09:50:50 +1000 > To: <[email protected]> > Subject: Re: Presence > > Re: ' I don't recall a > single instance of being told that such art should be > evaluated by western standards" > > Where do you get this from William? It's a silly distortion of what I said. > > Your continual, unpleasant innuendos about "scholarly" standards > clashes badly your own apparent inabilty to read with care. I have > often noticed this in discussions with you. You see what you want to > see. > > DA > > On Thu, Jul 10, 2008 at 11:37 PM, William Conger <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > wrote: >> I'm not grappling with Derek but I am discounting his >> so-called arguments. He does not offer arguments if >> by that we mean reasoned inductive or deductive >> process, supported by specific evidence, reference, >> and, yes, informed opinion. Instead we get summative >> opinion, the appeal to authority, himself. I've read >> some of his website essays and I think they are >> extremely well written, persuasive, clear. But even >> there, in his remarks supporting Malraux, there is an >> absense of specific interpretation backed up by >> Malraux's own words or contested by the reasoning of >> other writers on the same topics. >> >> As for non-western art and the idea that it is >> misunderstood, I think this outlook has been well >> established for decades. Fifty years ago, in my >> undergraduate college years I had courses in >> non-western art: Prehistoric, African, Oceanic, >> Japanese, Chinese, Indian and related topics in four >> different American universities. I don't recall a >> single instance of being told that such art should be >> evaluated by western standards (although as a learning >> artist I did admire its "design"). Perhaps I was >> especially fortunate in being taught by enlightened >> people but there was also an abundance of scholarly >> and even general literature that clarified the >> distinction between the European aesthetic and the >> purposes of other artforms. A look at the index and >> publication dates in any good library will justify my >> comment. So I think Derek is making a big deal of >> something that's actually quite commonly understood by >> educated people (such as the listers here) and has >> been for quite a long time. Thus Derek stresses an >> elementary point. And in defending Derek, so does >> Cheerskep. >> >> WC >> >> > > > > -- > Derek Allan > http://www.home.netspeed.com.au/derek.allan/default.htm > > > -- > This message has been scanned for viruses and > dangerous content by MailScanner, and is > believed to be clean.
