In a message dated 9/23/08 5:20:58 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

> Nah, all measurements are metaphors.  But I'll ask my daughter who has a
> PhD in astrophysics.  And she's not very agreeable to mysterious, dreamy
> notions of our material world.  For her, there IS an IS.
>
> William, I accept we'll never receive from you a serviceably clear
description of the notion in your mind when you say 'art'. Will we be equally
frustrated
if we ask you to try to give us a serviceably clear idea of your notion of
'metaphor' that you believe persuasively shows a statement like, "A
professional
football field is 110 yards from endline to endline" is metaphorical, and
why, indeed, you think -- or appear to think -- ALL statements of any kind are
"metaphorical"? You may quote from Lakoff et al if you like.

As for your daughter the astrophysicist, my bet is she'll tell you that,
though poets may later invent metaphors drawing on her observations, in her
everyday work -- like say, in a surgeon's everyday work -- metaphor plays no
role at
all, though similarity might. Moreover, she will tell you that ultimately all
immediate observations, and all proof of conjectures about the implications
of those observations, depend or will depend on sense data. Indeed, she might
tell you that what she "means" by any conjecture is, ultimately, that if you
view XXX under certain circumstances your observing will yield such-and-such
sense data -- not metaphorically but "literally".   (If you do put the
question
to her, please don't paraphrase me. Show her this paragraph.)


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