Ingres ,I don't know, but will look up. I did! and found this: "modern opinion has tended to regard Ingres and the other Neoclassicists of his era as embodying the Romantic spirit of his time,[2] while his expressive distortions of form and space make him an important precursor of modern art."
mando On Oct 23, 2008, at 10:29 PM, William Conger wrote: > That's what Ingres also believed, and almost all other good > artists, including the Divine Michelangelo. > > WC > > > --- On Fri, 10/24/08, armando baeza <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >> From: armando baeza <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >> Subject: Re: Envisioning >> To: [email protected] >> Cc: "armando baeza" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >> Date: Friday, October 24, 2008, 12:13 AM >> Deliberate ambiguity as " inexactness " is the way >> i >> use anatomy in sculpture. Because design, to me is >> more important than correct anatomy. >> Does that make sense to anyone else? >> mando >> >> On Oct 23, 2008, at 9:45 PM, William Conger wrote: >> >>> I've said it many times that I use the word >> ambiguity in its poetic >>> sense, that is, to evoke the many layers of >> experience. Metaphor is >>> the mode of transit from one layer to another. I >> don't mean >>> vagueness. I think I took for granted that any sort of >> ambiguity or >>> metaphor is not necessarily the mark of greatness but >> that its use >>> is necessary to greatness (in literature). That >> leaves the problem >>> of discerning or conferring quality to readers-- since >> quality, >>> like meaning, must be external to the object. So, >> finally, >>> greatness is a a type of social approbation but if it >> actually has >>> an enciting source it is ambiguity through metaphor >> (metaphor being >>> a construct in some medium). Do I still have a >> problem? >>> WC >>> >>> >>> --- On Thu, 10/23/08, GEOFF CREALOCK >> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >>> >>>> From: GEOFF CREALOCK >> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >>>> Subject: Re: Envisioning >>>> To: [email protected] >>>> Date: Thursday, October 23, 2008, 10:33 PM >>>> William: I think that you might have a problem >> here. Suppose >>>> you thought >>>> that Lawrence Ferlinghett's novel >> "Her" was >>>> good fiction. And, further >>>> suppose that you thought that William James wrote >> excellent >>>> novels. I would >>>> submit that there is some particular ambiguity in >>>> James' works but a lot in >>>> Ferlinghetti's novel. So, it might come down >> to >>>> ambiguity about what and how >>>> artfully the ambiguity is applied - not just is >> there >>>> ambiguity or not. >>>> Geoff C >>>> >>>> >>>>> From: William Conger >> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >>>>> Reply-To: [email protected] >>>>> To: [email protected] >>>>> Subject: Re: Envisioning >>>>> Date: Thu, 23 Oct 2008 07:55:56 -0700 (PDT) >>>>> >>>>> Ambiguity is the answer. Plus an arresting >> and highly >>>> visual use of >>>>> language. Great literature explores the >> complexities >>>> and contradictions of >>>>> the human psyche in action through strongly >> visualized >>>> and explicit >>>>> narratives. That's my off the cuff >> definition. >>>> Muddled, I'm sure. But if >>>>> anything, great literature is great >> muddlering. >>>>> >>>>> WC >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> --- On Thu, 10/23/08, Chris Miller >>>> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> From: Chris Miller >>>> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >>>>>> Subject: Envisioning >>>>>> To: [email protected] >>>>>> Date: Thursday, October 23, 2008, 9:39 AM >>>>>> The more interesting question (for me, >> anyway) is >>>> what would >>>>>> distinguish a >>>>>> "pretty mundane "True >> Detective" >>>> kind of >>>>>> thing" from a kind of story that >>>>>> might have great literary merit. >>>>>> >>>>>> The basic story line for Clint's >>>>>> "Unforgiven", for example, would >> seem >>>> to have >>>>>> been much more promising (even if the >> resulting >>>> film was a >>>>>> disappointment) >>>>>> >>>>>> My question, of course, presumes that >> "great >>>> literary >>>>>> merit" -- as >>>>>> distinguished from best seller or >> box-office hit >>>> -- is a >>>>>> concept worth >>>>>> pursuing. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >> ********************************** >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> Question for Cheerskep and other writers: >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> I happened to see an ad on a web site for >> Clint >>>>>> Eastwood's new movie, >>>>>> "Changeling" (about a 1920s >> event in LA >>>> in which >>>>>> a woman's infant was >>>>>> abducted, and when the police return the
