In a message dated 11/17/08 1:37:40 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

> the subjective experience cannot be expressed.
> 
I can imagine someone using 'expressed' in this way: we may say a poet has 
succeeded in expressing her experience if her poem, when read, will occasion in 
a reader a feeling very like the one she had in mind as she wrote.

I certainly agree that we can never know exactly what feeling/notion arises 
in someone else's mind, but the poet -- or composer, or playwright, or singer, 
or instrumentalist, or comic -- often has sufficient evidence of a work's 
effect on a given contemplator to feel she has serviceably achieved what she 
was 
after -- at least in some contemplators. 

This notion of "expressing" does entail it is silly for any artist to insist 
she has in some absolute way "expressed" her motion. We have reports of 
writers who shed tears while they wrote of, say, the death of a child. A reader 
-- 
who herself may never have lost a child -- may nevertheless be brought to tears 
as she reads. Another reader may honestly say the piece leaves him cold. The 
first reader may say, "The poet expressed the emotion powerfully." The second 
could say, "Not for me."

In other words, there is no right or wrong here. If the reader obviously is 
not experiencing the approximately same emotion as the writer had, it is an 
error to insist the reader's experience is "wrong". To insist it's wrong would 
be 
to take one's arbitrary stipulative definition of wrong as absolutely 
correct: "I define as wrong any reader's reaction if it does not serviceably 
replicate what the author in mind." 

We can imagine a survivior of a small shtetl that was laid to waste in a 
pogrom tearfully writing about the event, and bringing tears to the eyes of 
other 
immediate surviviors of that shtetl.   All those readers would have associated 
memories the writer was stirring.   You would not be wrong if those 
associations were not available to your mind.   With the usage of 'express' I 
describe 
above, we could reasonably say the writer "expressed" the experience for other 
survivors, but not for you and me. 

Notice: I have only put forth here a possible definition of "expressing a 
subjective experience": If what the poet writes manages to occasion in the mind 
of a reader a notion/feeling all but identical to the notion/feeling the writer 
had in mind, one could reasonably say the writer has, for that reader, 
"expressed the subjective experience". 

Perhaps we see a more persuasive example when a comic tells a joke. The comic 
would be unjustified in claiming the joke is absolutely funny and those who 
didn't laugh are "wrong". Others, who crack up immediately, might say, "Wow, he 
told that well!"          



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