"Unlike Boris, I do not believe that "the best of art is .... lifting the
level
of sophistication of human as biological and spiritual system.".  Maybe
that's
true -- but I just haven't seen any evidence for it.  Despite all the good
art
I think I've seen, my own biological system has been slowly, but
relentlessly,
deteriorating -- and only God knows what my spiritual system has been up to."

Lets be more flexible in our thinking. I am not talking immortality, just
lifting life forces. It means slowing aging. Longevity of great artists and
thinkers, on average, is higher than the rest of the population.
Boris Shoshensky



-- "Chris Miller" <[email protected]> wrote:
It looks like I got it completely wrong -- and it's believers like myself who
dominate this list,  with skeptics like Cheerskep and Mando serving as a very
vocal  minority.

But beyond that simple statement of belief  (and William's extended
exposition
of it) I doubt that our beliefs have much else in common.

Unlike Brady, I do not believe that "the crucial, the necessary and
sufficient, property of an "artwork" is the truth-conditions to which it is
subjected.". I don't care whether something has been offered to us as a
documentation or not, unless I need it to be accurate about some detail
(like
the location of streets on a map)

Unlike Francis, I do not believe that good art "must presuppose some semiotic
value".  I believe that good art exists as distinct, rare, almost miraculous
phenomena that presupposes nothing that's capable of being understood.

Unlike Boris, I do not believe that "the best of art is .... lifting the
level
of sophistication of human as biological and spiritual system.".  Maybe
that's
true -- but I just haven't seen any evidence for it.  Despite all the good
art
I think I've seen, my own biological system has been slowly, but
relentlessly,
deteriorating -- and only God knows what my spiritual system has been up to.

Unlike William -- well, actually -- I can't find any of his beliefs on this
thread  which i would not share -- except for his ongoing belief that brain
science will eventually say something non-trivial about good art.



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