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On 4/26/09 8:20 PM, "armando baeza" <[email protected]> wrote: Hell...I'm a human, so what ever I do must be the human thing to do, no? mando On Apr 26, 2009, at 4:59 PM, Saul Ostrow wrote: Art for me is part of a discourse - it is a way to build models - that are aesthetic, rhetorical and experiential - as such if they are successful they are not reducible to the ego and machinations of their maker - but those of the society in which they are made and perhaps beyond - re:Myer Shapiro On 4/26/09 7:45 PM, "armando baeza" <[email protected]> wrote: i call it something 'unique to me'. what I do, has never been done before by me, or anyone else, exactly the same. What others get from it, is up to them,it;s not under my control,What I do know, people want to own them. Art is something that exist under your personal umbrella of aesthetics where one can pick and choose any thing that your manner of taste desires mando On Apr 26, 2009, at 4:18 PM, Saul Ostrow wrote: But what beyond your word tells us its art- and not just paintings and sculptures - that is objet d'art On 4/26/09 6:45 PM, "armando baeza" <[email protected]> wrote: The truth is, that i have done carefully crafted work for a living, while at the same time doing art purely for my own pleasure, and now full time. it's the only song I really know. mando On Apr 26, 2009, at 11:58 AM, Saul Ostrow wrote: > actually I have personal creative experiences all the time - - > but they are neither natural or spiritual - it is this that lead > to my question: what makes you think art was ever anything other > than a carefully crafted artifice meant to pull in its audience > > ____________________________________________ Saul Ostrow | Visual Arts & Technologies Environment Chair, Sculpture Voice: 216-421-7927 | [email protected] | www.cia.edu<http://www.cia.edu/> The Cleveland Institute of Art | 11141 East Boulevard, Cleveland, OH 44106 ____________________________________________ Saul Ostrow | Visual Arts & Technologies Environment Chair, Sculpture Voice: 216-421-7927 | [email protected] | www.cia.edu <http://www.cia.edu/> The Cleveland Institute of Art | 11141 East Boulevard, Cleveland, OH 44106 ____________________________________________ Saul Ostrow | Visual Arts & Technologies Environment Chair, Sculpture Voice: 216-421-7927 | [email protected] | www.cia.edu <http://www.cia.edu/> The Cleveland Institute of Art | 11141 East Boulevard, Cleveland, OH 44106 ____________________________________________ > Saul Ostrow | Visual Arts & Technologies Environment Chair, Sculpture > Voice: 216-421-7927 | [email protected] | http://www.cia.edu/ > The Cleveland Institute of Art | 11141 East Boulevard, Cleveland, > OH 44106 > > > ________________________________________ > From: armando baeza [[email protected]] > Sent: Sunday, April 26, 2009 2:10 PM > To: [email protected] > Cc: armando baeza > Subject: Re: Heidegger and Singularity > > This remark ,means that you have never had personal creative > experience. > Other wise, you would know why humans are creative by nature, and > never > ask "why'. > mando > > On Apr 25, 2009, at 9:22 AM, Saul Ostrow wrote: > >> And >> >> >> On 4/25/09 11:54 AM, "Chris Miller" <[email protected]> >> wrote: >> >> What if art self-reflexively addresses by aesthetic and rhetorical >> means >> the >> conceptions and values most prevalent with in the time of its >> making within a >> recursive framework ? >> >> Then we get a typical Hollywood movie - carefully crafted to pull >> in a large >> audience. >> >> I've just been watching a bunch of recent Westerns that came highly >> recommended to me -- and it was just too painful to watch each of >> them >> address >> the conceptions and values most prevalent in our time and place. >> (and don't >> forget about place. The conceptions and values of Americans are quite >> different from people who now live in India, Europe, Africa, or >> even Canada) >> >> Only one film had any value to me, "The Assassination of Jesse >> James by the >> Coward Robert Ford", because it seemed to be addressing universal >> issues of >> trust, betrayal, and maturity - as might be found in the 12th C. >> Chinese >> "Romance of the Three Kingdoms" as well ) >> While it also tried to re-create a language and dramatic space >> somewhat >> removed from our own (Missouri, 1880) >> >> That was a good movie - perhaps the best Western since "Dead Man". >> >> >> >> ____________________________________________ >> >> Saul Ostrow | Visual Arts & Technologies Environment Chair, Sculpture >> >> Voice: 216-421-7927 | [email protected] | www.cia.edu <http://www.cia.edu> <http://www.cia.edu> <http:// >> www.cia.edu <http://www.cia.edu> <http://www.cia.edu> /> >> >> The Cleveland Institute of Art | 11141 East Boulevard, Cleveland, >> OH 44106 >> >> >> >> ____________________________________________________________ >>
