I think you look at creativity as too attached to art creation. Then your argument makes it point. I look at creativity in a broader sense. If a process results in any newness of any kind, man or 'god' made, it is invention, even utilitarian, it is creative for me. Boris Shoshensky
---------- Original Message ---------- From: "Frances Kelly" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Subject: RE: Architecture and Philosophy Date: Sun, 10 May 2009 22:47:57 -0400 Frances to Boris belatedly... You mused on whether the creative and inventive and innovative were the same thing, and further assumed that the creative covers both the inventive and the innovative. It still seems to me that the acts of being creative and inventive and innovative are clearly similar and related, but not identical. The act of creation and innovation seems closer to what art might require. The act of invention however might be closer to what design and engineering and even architecture as nonart might require. Creation is the idea that there always was some continuum of thingness in some form, while some of this thingness sported or started in other arbitrary forms, whose attributed tonal essences and manifested token substances and exemplified typical presences grew by disposed adeptive chances and determined adaptive changes and decided adoptive choices. This idea of evolving creativity applies globally to the evolution of worlds or babies or artworks. It is likely that in the arena of art innovation is preparatory to the act, but invention is contributory to it, while creation is consummatory of them both, with this tern yielding a combinatory result. Invention is an objective act of actual practice. It is the mind acting on the body in a psychical way that is mainly cognitive by eventually involving thought. It is the mind originating or fabricating or manipulating some new product or property or usage, often with anticipation but also with excitement. It is a firm and closed and fixed state of instinct, and akin to techne. It explores to discover what might be better in the end. It is the making of some original and authentic choices to alter that which an existent object does not yet have, and mostly for the benefit of others. It is the sure finding and framing of form, and an effort to alter it with ingenious ideas for the sake of other than the self. The initial motive is to satisfy a drive or need, but the eventual goal of invention is get and use knowledge. Invention is not the same as innovation, but is dependent on it, and will be consummatory of innovation. It does like innovation entail creation and decision. The sampling or testing of a good invention by researchers is possible, because if the action of the outcome is fit in actual practice this is usually a reliable sign of it. Innovation is a subjective act of creative theorice. It is the mind acting on the mind in a psychical way that is mainly cognitive by eventually involving thought. It is the mind introducing or positing some new thing or object or being, often with anticipation but also with surprise. It is a free and open and fluid state of intuition, and akin to art. It is the giving of some unique and genuine changes to that which an existent object already has, and mostly for the benefit of the self. It is the pure feeling of form, and an effort to alter it with novel ideas for its own sake. The initial motive is to wish and play and muse about stuff, but the eventual goal of innovation is to get and keep knowledge. Innovation is not the same as invention, but is independent of it, yet is preparatory to any invention that might emerge. It does like invention entail creation and decision. The sampling or testing of good innovation by researchers is difficult, because the behavior of the self is not always a reliable sign of it. ____________________________________________________________ Start Email Marketing - fast, affordable, and measurable. Click here. http://thirdpartyoffers.netzero.net/TGL2241/fc/BLSrjpYRNw1YmOcukTktfUOXwDm1DR 1dMk3X8O8D7UOVVMXVl0kbFm27h9u/
