In his memoirs, U.S. Grant, one of the most sober men in American history,  
mentions that his father lived with the Brown family and had known the 
abolitionist John Brown when he, Brown, was a boy.  He, the father,  reported 
that although John was pure and sincere he was also a extreme fanatic about 
everything.  U.S. Grant and his father agreed that Brown was insane.  "One does 
not invade the South with twenty men" said the great tactician of the Civil War 
and then president (or words to that effect).

In any age, in every farm, village,  and city there are those who exceed  all 
taboos and  trash all standards. To use that as a basis for any conclusion 
about a generation or era is silly.

WC

 




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From: "[email protected]" <[email protected]>
To: [email protected]
Sent: Sunday, May 31, 2009 11:08:56 AM
Subject: Re: "...In the nineteenth and early twentieth centuries[,]...for...the 
 artists and the educated social classes...the exploration of all impulses  
became an aesthetic norm."

In a message dated 5/30/09 8:24:05 PM, [email protected] writes:


> Is what Daniel Bell said true?
> 

Artsy6 asks: Is what Daniel Bell said true? 

"...In the nineteenth and early twentieth centuries[,]...for...the  
artists and the educated social classes...the exploration of all impulses   
became 
an aesthetic norm."

Too many undefined terms there: e.g. exploration, impulses, aesthetic, 
norms, class, all.

In 1859 John Brown explored his impulse to use armed insurrection to end 
slavery. But surely that wasn't the norm, nor do I personally see any reason 
to call it 'aesthetic'. 

"Ah, but John Brown is not a class!" But no alleged class is anything other 
than a collection of individuals. Besides, he didn't go alone to Harper's 
Ferry. The 'class of all those who went to Harper's Ferry with Brown' had 21 
members."

Though the Bell quote is too vague to be worth grappling with, I have an 
intuition that it'd be a formidable job for him successfully to contrast this 
era-characteristic with that of many other centuries. 



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