In a message dated 6/26/09 8:35:51 AM, [email protected] writes:

> I think it's telling that Kate and William agree that Miller had a
> "good/workable" definition of art, but neither tries to say what it was.
> Here's a
> potentially interesting drill: Each of the listers describes his/her
> notion of
> Miller's definition of 'mark' -- without trying to look up in the archive
> what Miller said. I'd expect there to be immense variation in their
> notions, 
>  and yet they'd all think they are talking "about" the "same" notion.
>
> When Mando was brave enough to try this:
>
> " Is mark the essence of a style of each artist?"
>
> -- Kate cleared things up for him:
>
> "No, a mark is a mark."
>
> Earlier, I quoted Orwell using 'mark' in his comment on Dickens. "The
> outstanding, unmistakable mark of Dickens's writing is the unnecessary
> detail."
>
There is no mark   on Dicken's writing.   This is a metaphorical use of a
word whose meaning is physical.    Miller's definition included words like
"leaving a trace on a surface".   This is a simple dicussion about a   thing.
One might ask-does an artist,seeing a mark in someone else's work, think-I
could do that,I like that,how would I use it?
KAte Sullivan


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