In a message dated 9/21/09 12:32:24 PM, [email protected] writes:
> "The "propositional nature of art" is grounded in the fact that art, as > representation, conventionalizes the terms of correspondence between the > work > and the referent and in practice chooses, discards, rearranges the ways in > which the correspondences are effected." (Brady) > > But art can, just as reasonably, be said to un-conventionalize the terms > of > correspondence - so the "propositional nature of art" is grounded upon n > othing > more than the preference to think about things that way. > > > So it's not "the nature of..", it's "the ideology of..." > Could you explain the ideology behind your preference for drawing to draw like Bronzino. > > > Burningthronl: > Saul changes the subject from what "every work of art is" to what "every > work > of art sets about to do" -- so that the discussion can be prescriptive -- > i.e. one can, and presumably should, attempt to offer "alternative views, > approaches and understandings." rather than merely "replicate the > qualities of > other works" > > Brady, then, happily signed on that revision (did he even recognize the > difference?) and they both compiled a list of theorists who would agree > (Greenberg,Reigel, Wolfflin, Panofsky) > > And that, in a nutshell, is the ideological foundation of the contemporary > artworld. > This doesn't actually seem to be limited to contemporary art. One can hardly claim that Pontormo didn't have a wildly alternative view from what had been current fifty years before. > Burningthroll: > But does it work? > > I.e. -- does an emphasis on attempting to offer "alternative views, > approaches and understandings." actually produce that result? Or does it > result in the celebration of a mind-numbing conformity of visual > mediocrity? > (Koons, Warhol, Johns, Hirst) > Bronzino Pontormo etc. Not mind numbing visual mediocrity. Very wishful to outdo the other guy in invention. > > Is visual excellence/mediocrity even an issue in that ideology? > > Burningtroll: > > It would appear that some of the remnants of traditionalism are still > clinging to Brady's unwashed mind - but if he continues to travel with > Saul, > eventually that error may be corrected. > > you wouldn't recognize traditionalism if it fell on you. Kate Sullivan
