Art is not measured by its utility. That's the function of propaganda. Although 
art is often put into service as propaganda,  that use is not the measure of 
its quality.  Otherwise, I suppose Flagg's "Uncle Sam wants you" or the Statue 
of Liberty---surely effective  propaganda imagery -- would be among the world's 
greatest art.  But no one has ever seriously proposed that.

 Whatever makes Pontormo, and fellow Mannerists good, it's not in the 
validation it gave to institutions.  Likewise, it's not today's Wall Street 
billionaires who determine the quality of Koons' or Hirst's art even though 
they seek validation for themselves by bidding it up to huge market values and 
thereby ensuring that only they can acquire it.

 I do agree that the quality of many goods is supposedly reflected in their 
prices -- like real estate -- but the aesthetic quality of something can't be 
measured by the supply-demand formula or by how it validates something separate 
from it.  I also realize that there's a subtle subtext in this because the 
validation of other might be a subjective, individual, consciousness, as when I 
say, "Pontormo's art validates my sense of aesthetic"  But I am not an 
institution.  Since there are so many diverse things that may be used to 
validate anything at all, and each likely to contradict another, we can't say 
that a particular quality is identified by it.  Actually, the old Church, the 
institution Miller says was validated by art, was far more validated by its 
"indulgences" that enabled one to purchase a better spot in the line to heaven, 
or "fear" of its power to destroy wealth and life at will.  It's the power 
thing again.  If you want validation, get the
 power to enforce it: money, arms, and Miller's favorite "institutional 
authority".
wc

wc



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From: Chris Miller <[email protected]>
To: [email protected]
Sent: Wednesday, September 23, 2009 8:10:56 AM
Subject: Re: The propositional nature of art

> One can hardly claim that Pontormo didn't have a wildly alternative view
from what had
been current fifty years before. (Kate Sullivan)

But one can claim that his view was not "wildly alternative" in order to
qualify as important art.

Rather than seeking  validation, the art of that period (indeed, of every
period of human civilization other than our own) was made to offer it -- to
the various institutions of church, state, or clan.

That's why it was so good.

It had to be.

And it had to be inventive, too -- because institutions are always changing.

(even the apparently private art of calligraphy and landscape painting in
dynastic China - which is  why it was so important for each Emperor to
practice and collect it)


>I thought you said you were emulating Pontormo and Bronzino   both of whom
had some very beautiful criteria.

No, I had never seen a life drawing by Pontormo until about 5 years ago, at a
wonderful exhibit of the "Art of the Medici" (yet another example of an
institution seeking validation from art, rather then vice versa)

I'm afraid that like Mando (and unlike the great artists of the past) I only
draw to please myself - and, for whatever reason, Pontormo and I are fellow
travelers.

>Could you explain the ideology behind your preference   for drawing to draw
like Bronzino.

It is possible to have  preferences that are not based upon an ideology -- and
they are none the worse for it.

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