- Never assume the obvious is true.

William Safire

On Tue, Dec 1, 2009 at 7:32 PM, armando baeza <[email protected]> wrote:

> Or dynamically simple.
> mando
>
>
> On Dec 1, 2009, at 9:28 PM, joseph berg wrote:
>
>  Concerning 'complexity', I would say that a masterpiece should make us
>> aware
>> that things can be more complex than we previously realized.
>>
>> On Mon, Nov 23, 2009 at 7:21 AM, Chris Miller <[email protected]
>> >wrote:
>>
>>  "from the very beginning of this book, my aim has been to elucidate
>>> general
>>> principles of the arts in terms of evolved adaptations"
>>>
>>> "i want to sketch the general characteristics that inhere in the very
>>> greatest
>>> works of art, the masterpieces that have withstood Hume's test of time"
>>>
>>> 1. Complexity: "presenting audiences with the highest degree of
>>> meaning-complexity that the mind can grasp"
>>> "complexity does not mean complicatedness but rather the densely
>>> significant
>>> interrelations of, say,  poetry, plotting, and dramatic rhythm in a play
>>> like
>>> "King Lear"
>>>
>>> "artistic masterpieces fuse layer upon layer of meaning into a single,
>>> unified, self-enhancing whole"
>>> "the greatest  works of  art unite every aspect of human experience:
>>> intellect
>>> and the will, but also emotions and human values of every kind (including
>>> ugliness and evil)
>>>
>>> "the finest works of art draw us into them in order to yield up the deep,
>>> intricate imaginative experiences.  They are marked by the utmost
>>> lucidity
>>> and
>>> coherence"
>>>
>>> So  Dutton's notion of "great art" is Romantic, and is best exemplified
>>> by
>>> the
>>> long, dramatic works that were popular in that era. It's hard to see how
>>> a
>>> piano sonata, lyric poem,  Chardin still-life, or an abstract painting
>>> could
>>> ever qualify.
>>>
>>> Which doesn't mean that such lesser things cannot be valuable and
>>> important
>>> -
>>> but only that they offer less.
>>>
>>> And I would tend to agree.
>>> More is  more.
>>> A full meal can be  more satisfying than any snack. (even if you love
>>> snacks)
>>>
>>> 2.Serious Content:  "The themes of great works are  love, death, and
>>> human
>>> fate."
>>>
>>> "Artistic masterpieces need not be  solemn and can end joyfully ...but
>>> even
>>> when they do, they are not merely jolly and amusing, and offer an
>>> implicit
>>> nod, if  not to a darker side of human existence, then at least to what
>>> might
>>> be termed a realistic view of the finitude of life and aspiration"
>>>
>>> "the arts that do  not attain greatness through prettiness or
>>> attractiveness
>>> can be illustrated by considering the ambiguous place of sexual acts in
>>> art"
>>>
>>> Which, again,  would locate all purely instrumental music and abstract
>>> painting somewhere lower than "the high white peaks of art"
>>>
>>> That sounds a bit severe - but after all -- nobody, except Buddhist
>>>  monks,
>>> can live on  mountaintops forever.
>>>
>>> I do question  his exclusion of eroticism, however - and Dutton goes on
>>> to
>>> explicate this further:
>>>
>>> "Sex itself is just too simple...pure eroticism by itself is no more
>>> likely
>>> as
>>> a theme for great art than purely green and pleasant Pleistocene calendar
>>> landscapes  are a likely theme for the greatest paintings. An enduring
>>> masterpiece that presented a perfect, pretty landscape would probably use
>>> it
>>> as, say, a background for the Expulsion from Eden
>>> than as a central subject in its own right"
>>>
>>> Interesting comment, don't you think?
>>>
>>> Dutton's notion of great painting coincides with that of the French
>>> Academy,
>>> c. 1880.  He'd let Manet;s bargirl  in, but keep Monet's landscapes out.
>>>
>>> "The evolutionary implications of waist-to-hip ratios for art history are
>>> not
>>> unlike the evolutionary implications for the presence of sweetness in
>>> food.
>>> That sugars are in all cuisines -- does not mean that a bowl of corn
>>>  syrup
>>> will ever be dinner"
>>>
>>> But while sugar may taste sweet to every human tongue -- the sexual act
>>>  is
>>> not necessarily "simple", and is not portrayed that way in the sculptural
>>> programs of certain medieval Hindu temples, or in the pornographic themes
>>> of
>>> Ukyo-e.
>>>
>>> But overall, I still agree with Dutton's elevation of  serious content
>>> (even
>>> if plenty of  non-serious stuff  has passed Hume's test of time -
>>> especially
>>> Chinese ceramcis, which I don't think have any theme at all)
>>>
>>> 3.Purpose: "authenticity of artistic purpose -- a sense that THE ARTIST
>>> MEANS
>>> IT" -- and Dutton goes to Libertarian and conservative columnist, Charles
>>> Murray for further explanations. (taken from his book "Human
>>> Accomplishment")
>>>
>>> "the greatest art tends to be created against a cultural backdrop of
>>> "transcendental goods" - a  belief that real beauty exists, there is
>>> objective
>>> truth, and the good is a genuine value independent of human cultures and
>>> choices --
>>> which enables the "moral vision" that is characteristic of the most
>>> enduring
>>> art" (Dutton)
>>>
>>> To quote Murray: "extract its  moral vision, and Goya's "The Third of
>>> May,
>>> 1808" becomes a violent cartoon. Extract its moral vision and
>>> "Huckleberry
>>> Finn" becomes "Tom Sawyer"..... Art created in the absence of a well
>>> articulated conception of the good is likely to be arid and ephemeral"
>>>
>>> "Murray's conclusion that artistic masterpieces will be more likely found
>>> in
>>> cultures and times committed to transcendental goods that are justified
>>> by
>>> religious faith is backed up by the phenomenal strength of the arts in
>>> the

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