But the regions, cities, churches...  wanted (needed) these  relics in 
order to attract tourism of the faithful - money was still all  powerful. So I 
am quite sure that money or something commensurate to it passed  hands in 
order to get some of these relics.
 
BTW - as I am sure you are aware, with enough money you could buy your way  
to salvation through indulgences during the Middle Ages.
 
Luis Fontanills
Architect
Miami-Dade/Broward, Florida
 
 
 
 
In a message dated 11/16/2010 12:54:12 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,  
[email protected] writes:

I saw  the Pawn Stars show where they couldn't/wouldn't sell a religious 
relic  
because the papal authority banned selling them.  I suppose that's  about 
as 
close as one can get to something that can't be monetized through  coercion 
and 
threats of damnation, etc.

I have to admit that  sometimes I would give away my art if I could also 
have the 
power to send  the recipient to damnation.
wc


----- Original Message  ----
From: joseph berg <[email protected]>
To:  [email protected]
Sent: Tue, November 16, 2010 11:46:50  AM
Subject: Re: Can art exist without authority?

On Tue, Nov 16,  2010 at 5:50 AM, William Conger  <[email protected]>
wrote:

> Yep. But power can get by a  long time without consensus because it has
> coercion
> and  punishment.
>
> Hey, this is interesting.  When does art (the  objectified quality) have
> power to
> enforce consensus re its  quality?
> wc
>


When art authorities (e.g., critics,  curators, connoisseurs) don't sell out
and jump on the commercialism  bandwagon.

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