Frances to William and others... 
The traditional tendency to align aesthetics only with say beauty
and nicety and efficiency, to the exclusion of say ugly and nasty
and inefficiency, has been a thorny stretch for me. There seems
after all to be a logical need, in addressing the many issues of
art and tech and science, to hold the "beauty" of the unbeautiful
as well as the beautiful. Perhaps the umbrella should be whether
aesthetic properties and objects are bad or good, in their being
say ugly or sublime or beautiful. Tentatively deeming what is
aesthetically "good" as a global artistic standard might be a
step in the right direction, regardless of the specific problems
this deeming will encounter in certain local situations. The
unpredictable elementary alternative is simply too chaotic and
volatile and hostile for rational thinkers. (The relation of
"forms to feelings" and of "designs to signings" in these poles
as being structurally similar are old theories, yet are seemingly
relevant here, and maybe they should be revisited, especially in
light of recent psychical advances in the cognitive sciences.) 

William Conger wrote... 
Yes, of course. The limiting word is aesthetic. Define that word
and then find correspondence in design examples. I realize that
your question presumes a deconstructive answer, one that feeds
the hopelessly rigid and vain hope that a stable universalist
definition can suffice for a subjective and infinitely variable
subject. Why do you persist in this elementary quest? However,
logic notwithstanding, there is a vague sense that the human
brain does have 'aesthetic preference' for certain kinds of
patterns that one might say are efficient, that is, lacking
excess. The basic human aesthetic standard is probably the human
body because an attraction to it is essential for eros and
propagation at least. So what is an aesthetic design for the
human body? It is amazing in a way that with the human body few
inches this way or that, a bulge here instead of there, and so on
can elicit a sense of either aesthetic delight or repulsion. We
can easily find historic periods where one sort of aesthetic body
was valued over another that today is found repulsive but these
socially constructed bodies need to be balanced by the longer
term preferences for a standard form, one that was actually
measured statistically by both the ancient Greeks and the Italian
Renaissance sculptors, among others. For example, a stout or
heavyset 19C American male image was considered a sign of
prosperity, authority, manliness whereas today it is scorned.
Similar reversals can be found for images of women at different
times. When the notion of 'efficient' is applied, a leaner, more
supple, graceful, healthy, unexaggerated body form is the most
prevailing human body image and is thus probably an aesthetically
pleasing image to most people at most times (yet, again, always
in balance with changing social constructs). Designs that conform
to a preferred human body shape, however abstractly, may be as
close to a universal definition as we can get for the 'aesthetic'
(or beautiful, using the traditional definition of the word). 

Joseph Berg wrote... 
Is there such a thing as that anymore? 

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