What Saul says is right of course...if. But it requires the re-making of the past through the post-modern lens. For 'mainstream' modernism, there was an ordered if also confabulated history. Joshua Taylor, the late great modernist scholar, mainstream modernism began around 1750 when artists began to create their own audiences outside of the established institutions. He pointed to the English watercolorists, the Nazarenes, then the Barbizon painters, and renegade salon-type artists like Gericault. Neo-classicism was the first major flowering of a 'people's art' that appealed to the emerging ideals of the modern state. After, say, 1750, to 1860, one can point to almost any European art movement and claim it as the beginning of modernism. One can also go back earlier than 1750 if one has a particular hindsight notion to measure by, such as, for example, descriptive popular realism. The post-modern idea uncovers many traditions that are like underground rivers, bursting forth as fresh springs here and there. wc
________________________________ From: saulostrow <[email protected]> To: [email protected] Sent: Sat, January 12, 2013 9:50:29 AM Subject: Re: Can art exist without authority? art exist within its histories and those histories are sustained by various validating structures (institutions) - the primary function of these being to maintain the notion that such a thing as art exists On Sat, Jan 12, 2013 at 10:18 AM, <[email protected]> wrote: > Very early modernism,say around 1820. Or earlier. Chardin found his own > patrons,didn't he? > Kate Sullivan > > > -----Original Message----- > From: William Conger <[email protected]> > To: aesthetics-l <[email protected]> > Sent: Sat, Jan 12, 2013 7:57 am > Subject: Re: Can art exist without authority? > > One of the defining features of early modernism was the need for > artists to find > or create audiences for their art. > wc > > > > ______________________________**__ > From: joseph berg <[email protected]> > To: [email protected] > Sent: Sat, January 12, 2013 2:04:00 AM > Subject: Re: Can art exist without authority? > > On Tue, Jun 1, 2010 at 2:08 PM, joseph berg <[email protected]> wrote: > > - *Good art weathers* the ages because once in so often a man of >> intelligence commands the mass to adore it. >> >> *Ezra* Pound >> >> > Can it be inferred from the following that culture (and therefore art) > cannot continue to exist without authority?: > > - Faced with the weakened authority of the Catholic Church, governmental > structures, and classical humanism, culture became increasingly > unstable, > and the locus of authority shifted from these cultural constructs to the > individual." > >http://repository.upenn.edu/**dissertations/AAI9840223/<http://repository.upenn.edu/dissertations/AAI9840223/> >> > > -- S a u l O s t r o w *Critical Voices* 21STREETPROJECTS La Table Ronde 162 West 21 Street NYC, NY 10011 [email protected] www.21stprojects.org
