Comparatively speaking only, as artists. ab On Feb 9, 2013, at 11:09 AM, saul ostrow wrote:
> then how is this your story? > *CriticalPractice* > 21 TREET PROJECTS > La Table Ronde > 162 West 21 Street > NYC, NY 10011 > > [email protected] > www.21stprojects.org > > > On Sat, Feb 9, 2013 at 1:52 PM, armando baeza <[email protected]> wrote: > >> Most of time is all spent on the love of what I do best...Sculpture >> >> ab >> >> On Feb 9, 2013, at 10:27 AM, saul ostrow wrote: >> >>> so you made art for consumption? >>> >>> *CriticalPractice* >>> 21 TREET PROJECTS >>> La Table Ronde >>> 162 West 21 Street >>> NYC, NY 10011 >>> >>> [email protected] >>> www.21stprojects.org >>> >>> >>> On Sat, Feb 9, 2013 at 1:07 PM, armando baeza <[email protected]> >> wrote: >>> >>>> Story of my life, >>>> ab >>>> >>>> On Feb 9, 2013, at 6:02 AM, William Conger wrote: >>>> >>>>> All this talk about kids and what and how they learn and whether or not >>>> it >>>> is >>>>> practical is not interesting beyond the level of magazine articles. >> Yes, >>>> kids >>>>> learn differently (see Gardiner's Multiple Intelligences) and yes, >> except >>>> for >>>>> the privileged children the the very rich, they need to find ways to be >>>> useful >>>>> in society. There are, obviously, many ways to do that. On a forum >> like >>>> this, >>>>> with many artists and other creatives on board, it's not going to be >>>> easy to >>>>> argue against nurturing kids' imaginations. >>>>> >>>>> As a youngster who only cared about art I never gave a moment's thought >>>> to >>>> how I >>>>> would survive as an artist or at all when I grew up, despite the >>>> consternation, >>>>> worry and hand-wringing of Depression-era parents. And I always had a >>>> part-time >>>>> job from the age of thirteen until college and after college I never >> was >>>> one >>>> day >>>>> without a job until age seventy. Even now I work every day and earn >>>> money >>>> with >>>>> my art. Without inheritance I was able to raise a family and live >> pretty >>>> well >>>>> and give my kids debt free educations at top schools. Maybe I was just >>>> lucky >>>>> yet I do believe people should pay their own ways and, if they need to, >>>> earn >>>>> whatever is required to do what they want. >>>>> >>>>> So, it's a blend of following one's own drummer while also being useful >>>> to >>>>> society that make the most sense in a democratic capitalistic society. >>>>> Education curricula and societal ideals should provide for both. >> What's >>>> more >>>>> annoying than a society that degrades imagination and creativity for >> the >>>> sake of >>>>> emphasizing routine job skills? And what's more demoralizing than >> people >>>> who >>>>> think their uniqueness and so-called free-spirit creativity entitles >>>> them to >>>> be >>>>> fully supported on a public dole? >>>>> wc >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> ________________________________ >>>>> From: joseph berg <[email protected]> >>>>> To: [email protected] >>>>> Sent: Sat, February 9, 2013 3:41:08 AM >>>>> Subject: Re: Skills children learn from the arts >>>>> >>>>> On Fri, Feb 8, 2013 at 11:37 PM, joseph berg <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> On Fri, Feb 8, 2013 at 7:50 PM, Lew Schwartz <[email protected]> >> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> Even more annoying about tripe like this is the presumption that >>>> everyone >>>>>>> agrees on the same achieve/success/money definition of education. >> It's >>>>>>> enraging. What happened to personal fulfillment, insight or joy? >>>>>>> >>>>>> They've become unaffordable luxuries for more and more people in the >>>>>> 21st-c. >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> - Some people see things that are and ask, Why? Some people dream of >>>> thing >>>>> that never were and ask, Why not? Some people have to go to work and >>>> don't >>>>> have time for all that. >>>>> >>>>> George Carlin
