Not my argument....how I interpreted ubnt's argument.
Sent from my smartphone
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From: "Adam Moffett" <dmmoff...@gmail.com>
To: <af@af.afmug.com>
Subject: [AFMUG] Ubiquiti Sues Cambium
Date: Fri, Aug 10, 2018 3:30 PM
Ubiquiti contends that some of their software is still running after
you install Elevate. They never refer to Elevate by name; throughout
the document they call it "Hacked Firmware" capitalized like a
proper noun.
AirOS is OpenWRT (ie Linux). The hardware is a general purpose
computer in a rainproof housing running a general purpose operating
system with a pretty configuration web page. I would characterize
ePMP the same way. I'm oversimplifying, but that's basically
what these products are.
I'm sure they will present their case a different way than I am, but
if I've bought the hardware and now I own it, I am definitely
allowed to put my own software on it, or even put someone else's
software on it. I don't believe for a minute that I could be
constrained by an EULA in this. I'm sure we'll find out who's right
in court, but if Jay's argument is right, that would be like selling
me a hammer and making me click an agreement that I can only hit
your proprietary nails with it. Or selling me a car and telling me
I can only put your brand of gasoline in it.
-Adam
On 8/10/2018 4:13 PM, ch...@wbmfg.com
wrote:
OK, but if you violate a software agreement, you should
just simply stop using the code, right?
Does Cambium root the radio or is there still UBNT code
running? I have not followed this product at all.
From: CBB - Jay Fuller
Sent: Friday, August 10, 2018 1:46 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users
Group
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Ubiquiti Sues Cambium
oh yes they are. the agreement
itself tells the user what they can and can't do. the
lawsuit is saying cambium violated that agreement by
changing the code, etc, and even using / reusing some of
the same code. and replacing the copyright with
cambium's copyright, lots of little things adding up.
----- Original Message -----
From: Mathew
Howard
To: AFMUG
Sent: Friday, August
10, 2018 2:41 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG]
Ubiquiti Sues Cambium
Unless the radio is old enough that it came with
firmware that didn't have that feature...
But they're saying that Cambium is specifically
instructing people to accept the agreement, and then
violate the terms. They don't appear to be going after
anyone so much for violating the agreement, but rather
for telling other people to violate the agreement.
On Fri, Aug 10, 2018 at 2:34 PM CBB - Jay
Fuller <par...@cyberbroadband.net>
wrote:
they're saying you have to
accept the license agreement to access a radio
to even change software.
they are right - - unless
you use tftp recovery. you don't have to do
that on a dell computer.
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From:
Adam Moffett
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Sent: Friday,
August 10, 2018 1:47 PM
Subject: Re:
[AFMUG] Ubiquiti Sues Cambium
Dell isn't harmed when you install Linux on your
computer.
Likewise I don't see how Ubiquiti is harmed when
you install Elevate.
Someone has to spell out the difference for me.
On
8/10/2018 2:40 PM, CBB - Jay Fuller wrote:
so - assuming they are
held liable and have to pay damages
how much do ya'll
estimate they've made from elevate?
now, don't get me wrong,
i have a soft spot for both companies.
they've both made me a lot of money.
i hate to see them doing
this - - but i fully see ubnt's point of
view too.
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From: Mathew
Howard
To: AFMUG
Sent:
Friday, August 10, 2018 1:37 PM
Subject:
Re: [AFMUG] Ubiquiti Sues Cambium
Cambium is not publicly
traded... unless something has changed
recently.
On Fri, Aug 10, 2018 at 1:30
PM CBB - Jay Fuller <par...@cyberbroadband.net>
wrote:
wasn't aware
cambium was publically traded?
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From: ch...@wbmfg.com
To:
AnimalFarm
Microwave Users Group
Sent:
Friday, August 10, 2018 1:23 PM
Subject:
Re: [AFMUG] Ubiquiti Sues Cambium
Or short Cambium.... you
never know.
MoviePass is selling at 5.1
cents per share right now.
Or 20 milli cents in pre
split dollars. Millipennys?
Money is metric, right?
In other words, I bought at
60 cents and it is now at 0.020
cents...
From: Tyson
Burris
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August 10, 2018 12:19 PM
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Subject: Re:
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Cambium
Looks
like its time to short the
hell of UBNT stock. I don’t
see a lawsuit as a favorable
to WISP opinions. Dragging
WISPs and Vendors into it is
very sticky.
Could end
up being negative.
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On Behalf Of Mike
Hammett
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Subject: Re:
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https://www.fcc.gov/news-events/blog/2015/11/12/clearing-air-wi-fi-software-updates
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From:
"Mike
Hammett" <af...@ics-il.net>
To: "AnimalFarm
Microwave Users Group"
<af@af.afmug.com>
Sent: Friday,
August 10, 2018
9:31:29 AM
Subject: [AFMUG]
Ubiquiti Sues Cambium
https://www.facebook.com/thebrotherswisp/posts/1660546944070751
Ubiquiti
Networks, Inc.
sues Cambium
Networks.
https://www.law360.com/articles/1071813/wireless-co-ubiquiti-says-rival-sells-hacking-firmware
I'd
like to see more
of the claims.
They've
also sued Sakid
Ahmed and Dmitry
Moiseev of
Cambium.
They've
sued WINNCOM
TECHNOLOGIES,
CORP..
They've
sued BLIP
Networks, a
WISP in southern
Illinois.
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Intelligent Computing Solutions
Midwest Internet Exchange
The Brothers WISP
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