True, most of the benefit is statistics on the copper interfaces.  I have
had a drop fiber get kinked and make for asymmetric power readings though.

On Mon, Oct 8, 2018 at 2:34 PM Adam Moffett <[email protected]> wrote:

> If it's BiDi, the Rx signal on one end shouldn't be too different from the
> Rx signal on the other end.
>
> I would miss having error counters on the copper interface that the
> customer plugs in to.  If that interface was faulty and you couldn't see it
> then you'd sit there looking at your switch interface running error free
> and tell the customer (incorrectly) that everything is fine.
>
> Part of my bias is from having spent a lot of time on tech support in the
> past.  I hate an invisible problem.  If I told someone there's no problem
> and it turned out there was actually something wrong then I felt like an
> ass.  I'm thinking 95-99% of the time you'd get by with your media
> converter, and 1% of the time you'd be an ass.  Maybe that's ok given the
> other savings you'd have.
>
>
>
> On 10/8/2018 3:19 PM, Jason McKemie wrote:
>
> I like error counters and Rx signal strength at the customer side, those
> have helped more than once with troubleshooting issues.
>
> On Mon, Oct 8, 2018 at 1:42 PM Chuck McCown <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>> Do you allow the customer access to the user interface?
>>
>> *From:* Jason McKemie
>> *Sent:* Monday, October 08, 2018 12:04 PM
>> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Active E on the cheap
>>
>> I use the RB260GS units, seem to work fine and they provide
>> troubleshooting capabilities at the customer end. Dumb media converters
>> would be a non-starter for me.
>>
>> On Monday, October 8, 2018, Chuck McCown <[email protected]> wrote:
>>
>>> https://www.fs.com/products/35333.html
>>>
>>> It has storage specs to –20C.  Not sure why operating temps are 0C on
>>> the lower end.  But if it is inside an enclosure it will self heat.
>>> $23 plus the $9 SFP.
>>> https://www.fs.com/products/37922.html
>>>
>>> $32 plus enclosure.  Pretty low cost per customer doing it this way.
>>>
>>> I know Sterling uses MTs for much the same thing, but if I remember he
>>> cannot get the one he likes any longer.
>>> I like this as there is zero config here.  Dumb media converter.  Put
>>> all your smarts at your router or switch.
>>>
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